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Old 07-13-2010, 03:02 PM
 
Location: IN
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Well first off, I think I have every right to point out where I think KC could improve, but second I point out the good things and promote KC plenty (what have you done besides posts like this?). I think if a few more people in that town had a bit more passion about the city and did care as much I do, it wouldn't have quite as many "issues" and may be living up to more of its potential.

Having said that, I do live in metro KC (I even updated my location on this forum just for you!). I live in a suburb of KC,just off I-70! I have more interaction and certainly more of a connection with KCMO than most people that live in your neighborhood or any other neighborhood in metro KC.

Frankly KC is lucky to have me even though many of those in JoCo (or with JoCo ties) really want me to go away .

I see people like me all over St Louis, even in the burbs. People just bursting with community pride. Same thing in this area. When I lived in Chicago, I saw the same thing there. I have close friends in Denver. Same thing there.

Try it. Have a serious amount of passion for the city you live in. Not just the suburb, but the city. KC needs far more people like that. It would make all the difference in the world.
You permanently left DC?
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Old 07-13-2010, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Austin
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The reason they didn't build the Royals a new stadium downtown is because of Kauffman Stadium's juxtaposition to Arrowhead. That Harry S. Truman sports complex has inadvertently become a world renowned landmark. Thus, it makes that locale more aesthetically pleasing. To build one downtown, the city council would have to spend lots of money land surveying the area and excavating the site. Not to mention, they'd have to demolish some buildings and force people out of their neighborhoods. I'm sure some people like the idea of gentrifying the downtown area, but that doesn't make the gangs and other socioeconomic problems disappear. It just makes them disperse into other areas. I commend the Royals for renovating their stadium.
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Old 07-13-2010, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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I worked downtown for 15 years and never noticed a gang problem there. A handfull of the bus stops can get a bit shady, but that's about it.

world renowned landmark?

Maybe in 1972. Not so much today.

Kauffman is fine though. It fits KC's personality perfectly.
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Old 07-14-2010, 01:14 AM
 
Location: Austin
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I'm not from Kansas City, people. I'm actually from Austin, Texas, but I've considered moving to Kansas City because that's where my mother is from, and I have family there. I just read about Kauffman Stadium on Wikipedia. The reason they didn't build a new stadium downtown is because they agreed to renovate the entire Truman Sports complex. That's why they're renovating Kauffman and Arrowhead. I think that's actually smart in the long run as it saves money. The only other thing I wish they'd done is add that retractable roof so Kansas City could host the Super Bowl for the first time and gain international recognition. Then it may no longer be one of America's top ten most underrated cities according to Yahoo News.
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Old 07-14-2010, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Look, I'm not going to continue an argument with a person that thinks it makes sense to build a facility that draws 50000 people to an already congested area with no parking. But as little sense as that makes, this makes much less..

And I already said that Fenway and Wrigley were not part of the fad. That goes without saying, given their opening dates. But Busch II and Yankee II? Both unnecessary and both part of the fad. And, in the case of Yankee, almost baseball blasphemy to tear down the house that Ruth built just to be part of the fad with a new park right across the street.
Doesn't matter if it "makes sense" to "CrownVic95." Matters if it works, which it has, virtually every time.
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Old 07-14-2010, 10:58 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Doesn't matter if it "makes sense" to "CrownVic95." Matters if it works, which it has, virtually every time.
Everyone has their own opinion and definition of "works". It works for some, keeps others away.

Generally, attendance numbers do not paint the picture you and kcmo would like to see. Camden yards, for example, drew over 3.2 million in 2000 (better than that some years in the 90s) but slipped to 2.6 by 2005 and last year was 1.9 million.

The downtown parks' "success" is/will be short term and they will fade from favor faster than the 60s/70s parks did. After the fad subsides, the wisdom of the design and location of the Truman Sports Complex will once again get the recognition it deserves.
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Old 07-14-2010, 11:23 AM
 
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The Sprint Center is the third busiest venue in the U.S. But I suppose that's just another silly fad.... the likes of which have been going on for well over 100 years just in this town.
Sticking the thing on South 245th street would have been a much wiser decision in the long run.
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Old 07-14-2010, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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That's BS. That's for concerts only.

You can't tell me that Sprint Center is busier than arenas in places like Denver and Dallas and Boston and LA and every place else that have two or more major league tenants plus most of the big concerts. Here in KC, they seem to use Verizon for something almost every night. They are always flipping from NHL to NBA, to WNBA to concerts etc.

I doubt Sprint Center is near as busy as places with only one major league tenant like St Louis let alone those with more teams.

Sprint Center can go weeks even a month or more without any activity. Just because KC and other similar arenas (omaha, tulsa etc) have the wide open schedule to accommodate a few more concerts than most big city arenas doesn't mean it's busier. Plus most large cities have more venues, so they still get the concerts, they just may happen in other venues.

And even if only 10,000 people were to show up for a terrible Royals team downtown, that's 10,000 people that otherwise wouldn't be downtown.

And people seriously wonder why KCMO is going to have to subsidize the P&L district to the tune of 15 million a year.

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Old 07-14-2010, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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TYou can't tell me that Sprint Center is busier than arenas in places like Denver and Dallas and Boston and LA and every place else that have two or more major league tenants plus most of the big concerts. I doubt Sprint Center is near as busy as places with only one major league tenant like St Louis let alone those with more teams.

Sprint Center can go weeks even a month or more without any activity. Just because KC and other similar arenas (omaha, tulsa etc) have the wide open schedule to accommodate more concerts than most big city arenas doesn't mean it's busier.

First, the Sprint Center is the 3rd busiest CONCERT VENUE in the nation and the 6th busiest in the entire WORLD. It's a fact, look it up.

Every single one of the Top 10 North American Tours and every single one of the Top 10 World Tours will visit Sprint Center this year. When we had Kemper, we would be lucky to get a couple of those a year.

Second, the Sprint Center does not go a month or more without an event. They have a concert or some other event going on there every single week. Most weeks it is multiple events.

One of my good friends is one of the general managers down there and he works nearly 60 hours a week. They are extremely busy.

Of course we arent busier including sporting events. That's not possible.

We have several concert venues as well. In fact, we have as many concert venues as a lot of larger cities do.
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Old 07-14-2010, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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First, the Sprint Center is the 3rd busiest CONCERT VENUE in the nation and the 6th busiest in the entire WORLD. It's a fact, look it up.

Every single one of the Top 10 North American Tours and every single one of the Top 10 World Tours will visit Sprint Center this year. When we had Kemper, we would be lucky to get a couple of those a year.

Second, the Sprint Center does not go a month or more without an event. They have a concert or some other event going on there every single week. Most weeks it is multiple events.

One of my good friends is one of the general managers down there and he works nearly 60 hours a week. They are extremely busy.

Of course we arent busier including sporting events. That's not possible.

We have several concert venues as well. In fact, we have as many concert venues as a lot of larger cities do.
That's great. The point is that is a misleading fact when comparing Sprint Center to other major city arenas, most of which have at least double the number of people going through them. That's really all that matters. Which is better for downtown?, 15,000 people a few times a month or 15,000 people a few times a week?

The thing is KC spent 300 million on the P&L District, but can't seem to figure out how to get people downtown to take advantage of it. (Sprint Center with no tenants isn't cutting it).

The County (and city) spent 300 million to renovate the stadium and got nothing in return for that investment as the city is unable to capitalize and channel that economic activity.

I guess I see things differently.

How does Denver survive? MLB, NHL, NBA etc all downtown. Must be terrible! They don't get the concerts that KC does? Come on.
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