Will this help or destory the Plaza? (cul-de-sac, condo)

[brewcrew1000]

An airport 45 minutes away is a huge problem if business partners complain about it and start moving business with easier airport access. Sometimes this is a huge draw and was one of the reasons why Miller-Coors moved HQ to Chicago.

Just think the chances of being in an accident is 100 times greater on the 45 minute car ride to the airport then the actual flight they took.

[CrownVic95]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

Total nonsense. Every large city must have a good transit system to be well regarded. With the rapidly aging population of JOCO I don't think everyone will be wanting to drive everywhere all the time. This is where higher density, walkability, and a more highly consolidated amenity package is key. JOCO wants nothing to do with transit or to be linked with future transit plans in Kansas City. Period.
I don't use transit much, but when LOUISVILLE, KY (a metro with one million fewer residents than KC) has a superior transit system that goes directly to the Airport, World Tradeport, Downtown, and the Suburbs you know KC has an ENORMOUS PROBLEM.

Hmmm......"Total nonsense" in response to a posters simple truth. I guess, then, that if we are going to be that blunt here, you won't mind a blunt response.

Ok, you're entitled to your opinion, but it is not shared by most people - period. Sooner or later you're going to have to face the fact that Johnson County is what it is because the middle-class families to which it appeals want it that way. They don't want others living above and beneath them and on the other side of their walls and they don't like using mass transit - period.

"Every large city must have a good transit system to be well regarded"? Only to be well regarded by those few who share your fringe viewpoint.

It is just getting ridiculous. This constant drumbeat of propaganda - put forth in an attempt that will always fail - to point us back to an inferior quality of life that we evolved beyond half a century ago and more.

People with the means to make free choices in life simply know better and are not going to buy what your selling. Your "cause" is an exercise in futility today and for the foreseeable future.

[Samantha S]

Originally Posted by brewcrew1000

An airport 45 minutes away is a huge problem if business partners complain about it and start moving business with easier airport access. Sometimes this is a huge draw and was one of the reasons why Miller-Coors moved HQ to Chicago.

Just think the chances of being in an accident is 100 times greater on the 45 minute car ride to the airport then the actual flight they took.

45 minutes is nothing to complain about and business people know it. Yes 20 is better, and a light rail in KC at least from the airport to downtown would be great. These things we agree on.

[aragx6]

Originally Posted by CrownVic95

"Every large city must have a good transit system to be well regarded"? Only to be well regarded by those few who share your fringe viewpoint.

It is just getting ridiculous. This constant drumbeat of propaganda - put forth in an attempt that will always fail - to point us back to an inferior quality of life that we evolved beyond half a century ago and more.

People with the means to make free choices in life simply know better and are not going to buy what your selling. Your "cause" is an exercise in futility today and for the foreseeable future.

This is one of the most regressive and pathetic posts I have ever seen on this forum. To suggest those who value public transportation and walkability are on the "fringe" is wildly inaccurate.

[brewcrew1000]

Well he is from the SF Bay Area. I love that South Park where Cartmen tries to go into SF but there is too much smug to enter.
God Help Cartman - Video Clips - South Park Studios

[kcmo]

Originally Posted by brewcrew1000

Well he is from the SF Bay Area. I love that South Park where Cartmen tries to go into SF but there is too much smug to enter.
God Help Cartman - Video Clips - South Park Studios

Actually, he's from Kansas I think, and he hates SF, one of the country's best cities IMO. He simply doesn't like cities and does like suburbs. Pretty simple.

[brewcrew1000]

I do agree that SF is one of the best cities in the country but i don't like the fact that they pretty much just shipped most of the problems they had in the city (Tenderloin/City Hall/The Mission) to other parts of the Bay. That is not the solution, it just creates another problem somewhere else. Now when Oakland becomes this San Francisco type city (which parts have become), where will the problems go then? Just another city that has to deal with it.

The same thing can apply to KC, we don't like crime in our nieghborhood, so we knock down the problem buildings, kick the people out, raise rents, put in trendy restaurants. But where did the problems go we just solved? Shawnee, Grandview. How is that solving the problem? It's just creating the problem somewhere else and now that it's not in our backyard anymore, we don't give two ****s about it.

[CrownVic95]

Originally Posted by kcmo

Actually, he's from Kansas I think, and he hates SF, one of the country's best cities IMO. He simply doesn't like cities and does like suburbs. Pretty simple.

No, I'm from Buffalo. And before moving to Kansas (the first time) in 1976, also lived in the Chicago, Minneapolis, Rochester (NY), and SF Bay areas.

I doubt that most of you professing a love for San Francisco have spent any serious time there outside of a few days in and around the standard tourist areas. Everyone from the Midwest is enchanted by it at first and/or infrequent visits and so was I in the fall of 1973. And most people from the Midwest are also disgusted by what they find is just beneath the surface of the skin-deep beauty. But that takes some time. IF all you ever do is tourist visits you will come and go with artificial stars in your eyes.

[CrownVic95]

Originally Posted by aragx6

This is one of the most regressive and pathetic posts I have ever seen on this forum. To suggest those who value public transportation and walkability are on the "fringe" is wildly inaccurate.

Thank you.

Any time I'm called "regressive" by anyone embracing the upside down world of today's progressivism, I know I'm on the right track.

[brewcrew1000]

I have spent times in the neighborhoods of SF. My aunt lived in Noe Valley, a great family neighborhood. The Mission was a great hispanic nieghborhood but not it's become gentrified and will be too expensive to live in a couple years. It's a nice gritty area where mainly hipsters hang out in now.

Maybe we shouldn't have cities/counties/states, we should just be all one big team working together, not having this hatred and division.
John Lennon said it best in one verse of his lyrics:
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace