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Old 08-27-2010, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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Of course MO as a whole seems to have religious freaks... the new strip club bans that will basically shut them all down. A judge just refused to to stop the ban from taking effect even though it's unconstitutional.
Yea, good ol Matt Bartle repping lee's summit! I never did understand the reasoning behind electing people into public office that have no other interests to the public other than inserting their religious beliefs into law and society.

Stem cell research, abortion and strip clubs. That's all he cares about. If he put half as much effort into issues that really do effect Missouri's economy and quality of life, I think he might just get something done like better transit in the big cities, better amtrak service across the state, upgraded interstates and better schools and parks.

Oh and strip clubs? Who cares, every big city has them and believe it or not, they are a part of the convention package KC offers, just like the casinos are.

I don't need people to tell me not to gamble or go to a strip club (I actually avoid both) and I certainly don't need people to tell me what to believe in, especially elected officials that have no business doing that when they should be balancing budgets and building roads and schools.

KC has a huge opportunity to become a major bio-research center with Stowers, yet Bartle would like nothing more than to run his research facilities and billion dollar endowment to another state that will gladly take on the opportunity to employ hundreds of scientists and researchers to find cures for diseases.

Sorry, he is a major pet peeve of mine.

Then you have Kansas over there with people like O'Connor.

And suburban people make fun the people urban areas elect? Not that they do any better. Look at what KCMO did to itself with funkhouser.

I guess people are just stupid .
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Old 08-27-2010, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Old Hyde Park, Kansas City,MO
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This is ironic too because I was going to write a post yesterday saying if lack of strip clubs would hurt businesses/conventions on the Kansas side.

Couldn't we use this argument below. Why is sex so censored in this country but Violence on TV is allowed. Which is normal, sex with another person or killing someone?

Free speech

Because of strong free speech protections of the Oregon Constitution upheld by the Oregon Supreme Court Henry v. Oregon Constitution 1987 which specifically found that full nudity and lap dances in strip clubs are protected speech,[103] Portland is widely considered to have more strip clubs per capita than Las Vegas or San Francisco.[104][105][106]
A judge dismissed charges against a nude bicyclist November 2008 on the grounds that the city's annual World Naked Bike Ride "was a well-established tradition in Portland."[107] The 2009 Naked Bike Ride occurred[108] without significant incident. City police managed traffic intersections.[109] There were an estimated 3000 to 5000 participants.[110][111]
A state law prohibiting publicly insulting a person likely to provoke a violent response was tested in Portland and struck down unanimously by the State Supreme Court as violating protected free speech and being overly broad.[112]
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Old 08-27-2010, 04:43 PM
 
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My wife and I moved from the Bay Area to the KC area with small children first in 1976. There are major differences - and most of them are in the plus column for KC for most people with a young family.

But the religion thing is there and one of KC's minuses compared to the west coast. I agree with most others here that it will not be a big problem if you mostly keep your views to yourself. I wouldn't let it make or break your decision.

I personally had very little problem with it, but my wife was bothered more when we lived there and I get the impression it tends to be a bigger issue among women. I could be wrong - that's just my impression based on my own experience. I remember she made a good friend there who was quite religious and it wasn't long before that woman asked if she could take our 7 year old to church with her. We talked about it and my wife ended up going along with the idea for a handful of times. Looking back, I can't believe we did that, because neither of us would give it a moment's consideration today. Anyway, just mentioning it because that kind of thing is more likely to come up there than here.

It's normally a simple, if not always easy, matter to put your foot down and get evangelists out of your face. Except, perhaps, in the workplace because there is a lot more at stake. My only serious concern if I were you would be about that. I would just look for any red flags that may have presented themselves in the interview process. I've had that happen a time or two and I learned to run the other way when they did. If none did and everything else gives you good vibes, I'd go for it as we both know that there are things about the west coast that you won't miss at all.
I think this is what I have experienced as well.

Unless you are one to push your values on others and 99%+ of all religious and non religious people are not that way, you will have no problem from others and not be lacking opportunity to have great friends.

But it is different and can get to you in terms of how religion can come up. Political ads here are often practically church sermons and people might make conversation not knowing your views and bring up things that you would never get where you live now. A big thing I dislike is instead of in other areas where I live not knowing ones religious beliefs and being careful not to offend, here you can run into many who assume you are very religious and they will just say things that make me want to hit them.

But overall I would say this is not a make or break issue to move here. But I would avoid smaller communities in Kansas for your children schooling and would recommend moving to a large suburb.
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Old 08-27-2010, 05:33 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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would recommend moving to a large suburb.


So would I, but you may not know that saying that on this forum is a lot like touching Buddy Revell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04g1oy4sBjc
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Old 08-27-2010, 05:56 PM
 
Location: SW MO Aux Arcs
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DANG! And here I thought open season on atheists was about to start!
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Old 08-27-2010, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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If you're one who would be bothered by NOT having a huge number of similarly-minded atheists around you, you might not enjoy yourself all that much. If you're totally fine with knowing that a lot of the folks around you will likely be fairly open religious participants, that will speak more to your long-term happiness in this area.

I'm not an atheist, but I'm of a markedly less conservative and evangelical stripe than the majoirty of those who participate in organized religion in the KC metro. While I've never experienced any problems due to this since moving here, and have found people to be pretty live and let live, I will admit that I do wistfully think back to times of my life when there were more people "like me" around me, just to connect with on that level and have that in common.
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Old 08-27-2010, 07:48 PM
 
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Thank you all for your thoughtful responses. We certainly have a lot to think about. We are definitely from the "live and let live" school... Wherever you go there are bound to be irritating folks of every persuasion. I love all this feedback. Thanks KC peeps!
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Old 08-27-2010, 09:00 PM
 
Location: SW MO Aux Arcs
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All kidding aside, and as a former left-coaster, I don't think you'll have a problem in a metro area like Kansas City PROVIDED you don't go out and broadcast your beliefs, or lack thereof. They're really no one's business but yours and your family's.

Believe it or not, we'uns here in the land of Mizzou really are a part of the United States!
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Old 08-27-2010, 09:35 PM
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Location: Madison, WI Metro Area
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All kidding aside, and as a former left-coaster, I don't think you'll have a problem in a metro area like Kansas City PROVIDED you don't go out and broadcast your beliefs, or lack thereof. They're really no one's business but yours and your family's.

Believe it or not, we'uns here in the land of Mizzou really are a part of the United States!
I could have sworn the Ozarks were in a separate country
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Old 08-28-2010, 12:28 AM
 
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An atheist? That's nothing. Try being a vegetarian. People are downright hostile to you. Like your very existence offends them.
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