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Old 12-22-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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I was in OP/Olathe a couple weeks ago. I grew up in OP, but left at age 18 and hadn't been in the KC area in 5 years. Anyway, friends invited me out to a restaurant around 138th and Roe I think. And I went to a gym out south of 435 on Metcalf. I was rather annoyed at how far apart everything is, and how it just looks the same and keeps going on and on. I'm not used to such low-density development and total dependence on a car. The roads are so wide, then commercial development (strip malls) have what appears to be a quarter mile setback from the streets. I found it to be incredibly annoying to drive around and find anything. You can't even see what stores are in the strip malls because they're so far away from the street.
I've never had that problem. Sounds like a visit to an opthamologist is in order or maybe some cheese to go with that whine?
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Old 12-22-2011, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Old Hyde Park, Kansas City,MO
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The roads are so wide, then commercial development (strip malls) have what appears to be a quarter mile setback from the streets. I found it to be incredibly annoying to drive around and find anything. You can't even see what stores are in the strip malls because they're so far away from the street.
So True, I don't get how some local business lets say a sandwich shop could survive in a strip mall that has a McDonalds and Longhorn Steakhouse blocking its view from the street.
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Old 12-22-2011, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Tower Grove East, St. Louis, MO
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I've never had that problem. Sounds like a visit to an opthamologist is in order or maybe some cheese to go with that whine?
Really? OP is kind of known for it. Look at the google street views for 135th and Quivira or 119th and Metcalf -- you can't see anything from the street.
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Old 12-22-2011, 12:37 PM
 
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Lots of grass...
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Thanks Granite Stater for that wonderful comments,,,Im reading the plan and it really helps a lot.
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Old 12-22-2011, 02:25 PM
 
Location: IN
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Thanks Granite Stater for that wonderful comments,,,Im reading the plan and it really helps a lot.
What point are you referring to?
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Old 12-22-2011, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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I've never had that problem. Sounds like a visit to an opthamologist is in order or maybe some cheese to go with that whine?
Or just maybe you happen to know what's in all those strip malls because you live there? No, I have no vision problems. But when the strip mall is freakin' a quarter mile from the street you're driving on, you can't see the signs on the stores, other than a big grocery store sign.
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Old 12-22-2011, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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Really? OP is kind of known for it. Look at the google street views for 135th and Quivira or 119th and Metcalf -- you can't see anything from the street.
I was at 119th and Metcalf. I was looking for 24 hr. Fitness, but when every corner has one of these stupid strip malls set way back, it end up taking 15 min. to drive through each one to find what you're looking for. If you live there and are used to such annoying development, you probably don't think twice about it.

Here it is on satellite: MapQuest Maps - Driving Directions - Map

lol! They really think they need THAT much parking? I realize they don't expect anyone to walk to a store around there, but talk about overkill. And the parking lot is mostly empty.
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Old 12-22-2011, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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I was at 119th and Metcalf. I was looking for 24 hr. Fitness, but when every corner has one of these stupid strip malls set way back, it end up taking 15 min. to drive through each one to find what you're looking for. If you live there and are used to such annoying development, you probably don't think twice about it.

Here it is on satellite: MapQuest Maps - Driving Directions - Map

lol! They really think they need THAT much parking? I realize they don't expect anyone to walk to a store around there, but talk about overkill. And the parking lot is mostly empty.
When I was in KC last month, I did some shopping over by Independence Center (the big power centers over there) and the first thing we noticed what the crazy size of the parking lots that were about 1/4 or less used. I told my wife that there is no way this fills up even on black friday! They need to rethink their parking requirements.

We are now pretty used to the parking provided being about what demand is. That means most parking lots out here in suburban areas are about 80-90% full at any given time and on weekends it can be a challenge. Times like black Fridays and busy weekends and holidays just forces you to improvise and park across the street at other places and walk. Not a big deal though.

But you are right on when it comes to the crazy setbacks on the KS side of KC. (west WyCo and JoCo). I guess it's because they just have so much room, land is so flat and cheap etc. But yea, the roads out there have humongous footprints and right of ways, just huge. For example, if you took all the retail at Barry and 29 and developed out like OP does, it would take up twice the land area. The only place I have seen that compares to joco is suburban phoenix. They too have the six-eight lane arterials with 30 feet of grass on the sides etc. There are some areas like that out in the southeastern areas of metro Denver too though. Got some tripple lane turns and stuff like that there.
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Old 12-22-2011, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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What point are you referring to?
I am referring your information you gave here:

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That is true, but like others have mentioned the walkability in south OP is zero compared to north OP with no shops or stores to easily walk to from any of the neighborhoods. Also, HOA's in south Overland Park are probably several orders of magnitude more stringent than what the OP is likely coming from in Boston. It's just an entirely different mentality in that regard.
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