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Old 12-30-2011, 09:51 PM
 
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I wouldn't worry too much about that. Missouri and Eastern Kansas are every bit as wooded, rolling and hilly as NJ.

JoCo is definately the flattest part of the metro, but if you look at a topo map, you'd have a lot of trouble distinguishing KC from anything in Jersey.
In terms of tree coverage, NE JOCO and portions of Jackson County have very dense tree coverage, but NJ is much more wooded overall ine majority of the suburban and rural parts of the state. Look at aerial satellite imagery for Sussex or Hunterdon counties.

The further south and west you go away from the KC metro area the overall tree coverage falls off quite a bit. Oh, those cedar trees are invasive and those don't count out in rural areas.
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:58 PM
 
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Source? I mean, just pull up a google earth map for crying out loud. sigh.
Add up all of the acres in parks or conservation... It really isn't very much considering Shawnee Mission Park is only a few hundred acres. That park already has way too much use in terms of volume. The Arboretum, while nice, really only encompasses a small geographical footprint. All of the large conserved areas are further removed from the majority of the built out portions of JOCO. A large piece of land should have been conserved inside 435, but that just never occurred.
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Old 12-30-2011, 10:17 PM
 
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You might want to look at ALL of Johnson county and not just stuff south of 119th street?

Heck, JOCO goes all the way out to encompass farmland and is an enormous county so I'm thinking you haven't seen it all.

All the best with your relocation, there are many nice places in the metro but given a choice between JOCO and Liberty.....I would strongly suggest JOCO.

Missouri: Nation's Meth Capital, Again - St. Louis News - Daily RFT
Come on, it's obvious that most of the developed portions of JoCo don't have a lot of open space. The open space they have is along road right of ways, not really green space. There is way more green space in the developed areas of suburban DC than JoCo's developed areas even though the developed area of suburban DC are far more dense. It is what it is. Look at a map. A lot of it has to do with the lay of the land. JoCo is flat and was built out via its old grid farm road system and county planners never really set aside a lot of land for regional parks and greenway till the county developed beyond the 435 beltway. The MO side has far more topographical features that get in the way of continuous development.

BTW, your meth comment was quite asinine. Way to send this thread down the drain. Read up on the meth issue in KC. You will find out that the KC area has very minor meth problems and that the metro area proactively attacked meth labs. That’s why Independence was labeled the meth lab of the country because they went out and shut them all down when few other places were doing it. They were labeled that because they had the most lab busts. Now they bust very few labs, as does Jackson County and Clay County. While Missouri as a whole still has a major meth problem in rural areas, the KC area has largely dealt with the problem and the cities and counties in the KC area rank near the bottom in meth lab bust in MO now. Plus MO bust a lot of labs, but the labs are generally small and don't amount to much compared to many states. The actual use of meth per resident in MO is about the same as KS. But that’s pretty typical for a Kansan to call the MO side of KC a meth capital and I know you only posted that because you are don’t like my thread about brownback in the Kansas forum. I guess this is your way of dealing with that.

http://www.examiner.net/news/x179843...pels-meth-myth
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Old 12-31-2011, 12:06 AM
 
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Liberty is one of KC's nicer suburbs. It also has character, at least in the older parts.
Meth, um no. No different than JoCo in that regard. A little too upscale for that.
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Old 12-31-2011, 08:32 AM
 
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Thank you all so much for your responses...now that I have information on the topography etc...how about the schools. I know Blue Valley in JOCO is considered the best. How do the other School systems compare? i understand that there is more $$ in JOCO, but are the other systems in (MO) that bad. If we had to we would settle in JOCO for the better school system. However, if the school systems in neighboring areas are comparable and the area better suits our wants (green space, not living in a grid, etc.) that would be ideal...thoughts???
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Old 12-31-2011, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Kansas City North
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but the area is not as crowded or as expensive as places like Johnson County and is one of the closest nice suburbs to downtown.
kcmo-don't know if you mean crowded as in housing density, or traffic, but the 152/I-35 intersection can give 119th and Metcalf a run for its money any day for traffic congestion. So can Barry Rd/I-29, although they have made tremendous improvements over there.
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:30 AM
 
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I understand that there is more $$ in JOCO, but are the other systems in (MO) that bad
Who are you talking too? Sounds like you are being told things by people helping you relocate and in KC, those people (real estate industry, relocation “specialist” or just getting bad info off the internet and potential co-workers) often have an extreme joco bias.

Johnson County is nice and has some very affluent areas, but much of the county is about the same as Liberty, Lee’s Summit, Blue Springs, Gladstone etc and many parts of the MO suburbs are quite affluent. Olathe is of Johnson County’s population and that suburb can be very hit or miss when it comes to nice areas. So it’s not as simple as JoCo is nicer and more affluent than the MO side. Not at all.

As I mentioned above, the schools in all the areas I mentioned are very good and the MO suburbs I mentioned are all every bit as good as the schools in JoCo. Park Hill, the Northern parts of North Kansas City, Liberty, Lee’s Summit, Blue Springs etc are all right there with Shawnee Mission, Olathe and Blue Valley. The MO side also has many more high quality districts than the 3-4 in JoCo. In addition to the ones above, you also have Platte County, Smithville, Grain Valley, Raymore etc.

I sent my kids to the Blue Springs schools and honestly after being out here and initially thinking the schools were better out here, we now miss the Blue Springs schools and what they offer.

Again, we lived near the border of Lee’s Summit and Blue Springs for eight years and while the area is not Mission Hills or southern Leawood (parts actually are), it’s pretty affluent. We did most of our shopping and dining in the “meth capital of the world” as many in joco love to proclaim, (Independence) and there was not one single time where we ever even thought of, saw, or knew of a single person that had anything to do with meth. It’s a very nice area set in some of the best topography in the entire region with excellent modern schools.

The same is true for the I-29 corridor. The Park Hill Schools are some of the best in the state and the area is affluent. The thing about the MO side is that it tends to be more socially and economically diverse than most of Johnson County. Take where we lived in Blue Springs for example. We were just a mile or so from where many Royals and Chiefs players lived (southwestern blue springs and the Lakewood area of Lee’s Summit, some had their kids on our little league teams), but then there were more modest housing nearby too. Nothing bad, just homes in the 100-120k range where teachers can afford to live.

The I-29 corridor is the same way with large swaths of more modest homes such as just south and west of Platte Woods and in Riverside, but then you have places like the National, Riss Lake etc which have some of the most expensive homes in the metro area. It’s more diverse so the average income is slightly lower, but it’s still very nice and relatively affluent.

Liberty is the same way. Shoal Creek and Staley Farms are very expensive areas and many of the new subdivisions on both sides of 35 are just as nice as any of the new stuff Lenexa, Shawnee etc, but they are near homes in the 150-250 range.

This is so frustrating to me that this has to be explained so often to new comers because they often come into KC brainwashed about the economic layout of metro KC.

You have to remember that there are almost twice as many people living in the MO suburbs than in Johnson County and the wealth of the MO suburbs is more spread out and mixed in with more modest areas, but the number of affluent people living in the MO suburbs is probably about the same as those that live in JoCo, it may even be higher. They just don’t all live in one area isolated from everybody else.

You will find excellent schools and a wide range of housing from middle class to upper bracket in both the MO suburbs and the KS suburbs. It generally comes down to what kind of lifestyle you want and your commute as to which side you live on.

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Old 12-31-2011, 10:55 AM
 
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kcmo-don't know if you mean crowded as in housing density, or traffic, but the 152/I-35 intersection can give 119th and Metcalf a run for its money any day for traffic congestion. So can Barry Rd/I-29, although they have made tremendous improvements over there.
Yea, I was more speaking of just being built out. But it's also worse in JoCo for traffic. Liberty has a mess there at 152 and 35, but it can get pretty bad at 119th and 35, Santa Fe and 35, 95th and 35 etc.

The bigger traffic problems are with commuting though. Liberty (and the entire northland in general) just does not get the bogged down rush hour type traffic that JoCo does on a regular basis. The interstates to the northland are nearly congestion free to and from the city compared to 35, 69, 435 etc in the southern parts of the metro. You can drive from KCI to downtown during rush hour and you will be lucky if you are delayed 2-3 minutes. Now this guy is from the east coast so the worst traffic in KC won’t phase him, but there are parts of KC with more traffic than others.

I did notice that Barry Road at 29 is much better now. KCMO has added a ton of new roads to that area. They have now fully connected the Tiffany Springs area to the Zona Rosa area with new arterial roads and Barry is six lanes wide now. Liberty is a mess because they funnel all that traffic across the 152 bridge.

It's a fast growing area for sure. The Liberty/Shoal Creek area has the two newest high schools in all of metro KC.

I highly prefer the 29 corridor over the 35 corridor of the northland because I think it’s nicer, has more amenities and better topography. I also HATE four lane urban interstates because you can’t get around morons on them and 35 is four lanes all the way to I-29. Having said that, Liberty is a nice area to live. It’s perfectly safe, has great schools and has many affluent new areas with charming historic areas too although most of "new" Liberty is actually technically Kansas City, MO city limits, another thing that confuses people.

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Old 12-31-2011, 11:16 AM
 
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KCMO...i think you are correct in stating that we may be somewhat 'brainwashed'...the area we will be working in is located near the power and light district in KCMO and most people there tend to live on the KS side. I am trying to keep an open mind...and want to explore both sides.
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Old 12-31-2011, 11:53 AM
 
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This photo of 435 in joco is not out of the ordinary for joco, but you pretty much never see this much traffic in the northland.


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