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Old 01-24-2013, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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Kansas City IS a very dangerous city, but the crime is really very isolated to specific areas. Downtown KCMO is very safe and so are most other parts of KCMO that most people interact with. The exact same thing can be said about St Louis City. Crime there is also very much isolated and independent form the many desirable neighborhoods and business districts of the city.

And comparing StL to KC with raw crime stats is ridiculous. If KCMO was not over 300 sq miles and was not half suburban and the city limits were still the original city limits south of the river to 85th, KCMO would be right there with StL city in the top five, but if you did that with KCMO and StL, then you would have to do it with all cities (reduce city limits to inner urban core only). That would drastically change the stats, but KC would see some of the most dramatic negative impact.

If you really want to compare crime stats, the best way is by an entire region or the specific zip codes you will be living in.

KC is a safe city and metro, but letsí be honest, the city has a huge ghetto and crime problem as well, just like most other Midwestern cities and a few coastal cities.
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:26 AM
 
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Kansas City ranks 17th for violent crime among U.S. cities - Kansas City Business Journal

No matter how you slice it, KC's E Side is very bad and is easy to avoid, but can't be ignored. Philly, Omaha, Chicago and KC came out really high with black on black violent crime (google it). Minneapolis also hitting top 10 once in a while. What can be done to change thug culture.

Downtown KC crime is now lower than many other downtowns ever since of all the investments. Starting the CID (community improvement district) really helped push out homeless people and others causing problems, but it just pushed it to E Side. Westport significantly improved too in last couple years, closing bars that catered to thugy culture and targeting 25+ foodies. Armour in Midtown has improved by upgrading large apt buildings to market rate and senior housing, pushing out Section 8. Single girly girls from the burbs are now moving in here. Pushing it around doesn't solve it but at least the city core stretch has been improving at the expense of E Side getting even worse.

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Old 01-24-2013, 10:09 AM
 
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This source was updated and now shows Downtown crime index by zip lower than last year. Crime index is now 6 W side of downtown, was all 7 last year and 8-9 years ago...

Downtown KC zips - 6-7
Crime in Kansas City (zip 64105), Missouri

Downtown STL zips - 9-10 (10 is highest crime)
Crime in St. Louis(zip 63103)

Other downtowns..
Chicago 9-10
ATL - 8-9
DC - 8-9
Minne - 8-9

So yeah, downtown KC has improved and not as bad as other downtowns. Midtown KC also improved to around 6-7. Not as bad as it sounds but of course is higher than burbs.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Kansas City ranks 17th for violent crime among U.S. cities - Kansas City Business Journal

No matter how you slice it, KC's E Side is very bad and is easy to avoid....
I've said this before and I'll say it again, but one problem with KC is that it's bad area (east of Troost) is absolutely massive (bigger area than the good part)! Worse, KCMO is a linear city from north to south. The good part of the urban core is less than 2 miles wide from east to west, but 5-8 miles in length north to south, long and narrow. The bad side of urban KC (east of Troost) is a little wider and also 8+ miles in length. The result is that no matter were you are on the good side of the urban core, you're always less than two miles and likely just several blocks from that blatant, drastic boundary called Troost Avenue, where things changes instantly as you cross the street. This means the predators who will potentially break into your houses, cars, and flee from the police speeding down your street, are always in close proximity. They can rob you and disappear back in their 'safe zone' (east of Troost) in no time at all.

Anyway, about the STL vs KC argument, I think if you took away all of KCMO's suburban areas and reduced the city boundaries to confining the urban core, then KCMO would be just as bad as STL on paper. Just the same, if you added a ton of suburban area to STL's city limits, you would dillute their crime.
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Old 01-25-2013, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Old Hyde Park, Kansas City,MO
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Wonder where Chicago would rank if they reported all of there crime stats, they would probably be top 3
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Wonder where Chicago would rank if they reported all of there crime stats, they would probably be top 3
Do they not report their stats in the same way as other cities?

Crime sucks, but aren't Chicago's good urban neighborhoods and suburbs all north and well buffered by downtown from the bad in the south?
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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Chicago isn't included because they don't report all crime. KCPD claims KC ranks high because KCPD does a better job reporting all crimes compared to other cities. No doubt KC's E Side is pretty bad either way but it is true that many cities don't report everything.

On your STL vs KC comment, downtown/midtown KC score in 6-7 for crime index, just a notch higher than Denver. STL scores pretty solid 10 downtown and parts of central corridor. You have acknowledged before that downtown KC and midtown have improved in last 10 years. Is now below many other major city downtowns and approaching to be as low as Denver. But at the expense of E Side getting somewhat worse.

We could always do what Minneapolis does and ship out homeless and troublemakers. They have a program called 'a bus ticket forward'.
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Old Hyde Park, Kansas City,MO
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We could always do what Minneapolis does and ship out homeless and troublemakers. They have a program called 'a bus ticket forward'.
Where do they send them? Hopefully its not KC

Didn't Gulliani do this in the 90s and cleaned up New York big time. If we just keep shipping people to other places, isn't that just playing musical chairs and not really solving anything.
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:56 AM
 
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Anyway, about the STL vs KC argument, I think if you took away all of KCMO's suburban areas and reduced the city boundaries to confining the urban core, then KCMO would be just as bad as STL on paper.
That's because if you "took away all of KCMO's suburban areas..." KC and StL are very similar cities in all respects except architecture.
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Old 01-09-2015, 09:56 PM
 
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No doubt that KC has a pretty big ghetto but its basically confined to the NE/E side of the city, and its very true that once you cross troost its like a whole other world. Also, the West Bottoms isn't really bad as long as you're there during the day time, even though it may look a little ominous as most of the buildings are old and kinda creepy. But the downtown area and midtown/ Westport and the plaza are usually pretty safe although downtown is kinda a ghost town at night unless there's something going on at the Sprint Center. Kansas City, Ks is really safe around the Legends, Schlitterbahn, and the KS speedway area, but the other parts of it are a little high crime but not quite like the east side of kc. Johnson County (or as us locals call it, Joco) is super safe but theres really not anything to do there. For the most part, all the touristy places around kc, except maybe 18th and vine, which can be a little sketchy, are pretty safe, just make sure you don't cross troost while looking for your hotel downtown.
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