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Old 03-01-2012, 02:15 PM
 
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If you live in that area (I no longer do), perhaps you can take a look at a recent such change and tell us how it is going. How is the Independence School District doing with those schools that it took over from the Kansas City district some two or three years ago? I'd be interested in knowing.
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Old 03-01-2012, 03:59 PM
 
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If you live in that area (I no longer do), perhaps you can take a look at a recent such change and tell us how it is going. How is the Independence School District doing with those schools that it took over from the Kansas City district some two or three years ago? I'd be interested in knowing.
I'm not sure how kcmosd is doing. Till they abolish the political nightmare that runs it, I really don't see much help.

I did post this a while back about Indep taking over those schools. I think it has gone pretty well and I still hear good things about it. Of course few people commented on the thread well, but it's Independence and if we can't bash the place, we just don't talk about it. I think they what they have done take a lot of guts and so far it's working.

Van Horn proves it can rise from the ashes...Independence should be applauded for this!
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Old 03-02-2012, 04:05 AM
 
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That is good to hear. They had one thing on their side. Their families were already residents of Independence. That helped. Then, the bussed-in students would no longer be there. Thank you.
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Old 03-02-2012, 05:17 AM
 
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That would surprise me. If the school district dissolves, the board and tenured teachers would have to apply to other school systems. There are good arguments to dissolve, but I'm not up on it.
The board would have no job.
The teachers must automatically be hired in senior order, even if it displaces other teachers, and retain their tenure and seniority. For example, if the district is split and merged with surrounding districts, those districts would, by law, have to lay off their own teachers to accept the teachers from the KC district.
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Old 03-02-2012, 07:55 AM
 
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^Interesting info about the way teachers would be hired/fired. Thank you!
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Old 03-02-2012, 10:11 AM
 
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Can't solve the problem if you can't get rid of incompetent teachers/board. Couldn't they just make the district go away and then separately the other districts take over - rather than a merger? It doesn't make sense that tenures would cross districts.
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Old 03-02-2012, 01:28 PM
 
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^Interesting info about the way teachers would be hired/fired. Thank you!
It is reflective of a typical public union perspective/contracts. IIRC it was about 2-3 years ago that ALL the KCMO teachers were fired and forced to re-apply so as to thin the herd from underperforming teachers who had tenure/seniority.
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Old 03-02-2012, 01:47 PM
 
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Have to remember that one of the reasons tenure exists at all is because in the 50s and early 60s school boards used to fire all of their teachers every year to keep their pay low, and then rehire based on political positions.
If a district could fire all of their teachers every year simply by reorganizing, you would see districts doing tricks like exchange a parcel of public land every year (technically a reorganization) to allow them to go back to those practices.
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Old 03-02-2012, 08:39 PM
 
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I don't think they will get rid of the district and blend into the districts in the area. Just too much money on the line to let go of. The district has had several supers, has fired and hired teachers, has completely revamped class ratios and on and on. Bottom line is they have the same problems. The problem starts in the homes and flows over into the schools. I know that statement will anger some, that's because it's true.
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Old 03-03-2012, 08:07 AM
 
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Can't solve the problem if you can't get rid of incompetent teachers/board. Couldn't they just make the district go away and then separately the other districts take over - rather than a merger? It doesn't make sense that tenures would cross districts.
Tenure is state-wide. And there are only two things a teacher can be fired for after achieving tenure. One is crimial activity but, for the life of me, I cannot remember the other. I only know that incompetence does not seem to be one of them.
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