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Old 11-30-2012, 12:53 PM
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Aragx, I normally agree with nearly everything you post, but my personal experience varies greatly from most of your previous post.

I wouldn't live northeast of 39th st -- there are some seriously cruddy apartments up there (believe me we looked).
I lived just NE of 39th and Broadway for over 4 years (and just south of 39th for another year) and really liked it. I know there are some crappy apartments in the area, but the places where I lived were pretty sweet and I knew several other people that lived in the neighborhood and had perfectly nice apartments. The walkability was great (walk score of 98) with an easy walk to central Westport and an even quicker walk to everything on Broadway.

I think that area gets a bad rap because of a couple apartments and establishments that seem to attract some panhandlers and shady characters, but I walked around at all hours and never had any issues.

South of Westport road is quite safe, and if you lived anywhere north of St. Luke's Hospital you'd have easy access to the bars. Lots of bungalows and the like in that area.
That area is definitely quieter and I imagine it would have a lower number of crimes due to lower population density and less general activity, however, I'm not so sure that an individual's chance of being impacted by random crime is much lower than other spots around Westport.

In all my years of living in the area, out of the hundreds of people I have met - friends, acquaintances, co-workers etc - I can think of a relatively minuscule number of accounts I have heard of people being directly impacted by crime - maybe 4 or 5. Of those, two occurred in that area.

Sure, this is purely anecdotal evidence based off a relatively small sample size and I don't think that area is unsafe at all, but even though it may "feel" more safe than other spots, I'm not so sure that is the reality.

Southwest Trafficway acts as a significant barrier to Westport access, so if you really want to be walking distance to the Westport scene, I'd stay in Westport proper and not Volker or West Plaza, the neighborhoods just west of Southwest Trafficway. (Though Volker has its own charms aplenty)
SW Tfwy is a bit of annoyance, but it is not necessarily a barrier, unless you allow it to be. I have a friend who lived just on the other side of SW Tfwy in Volker and we would walk between there and Westport all the time.

The neighborhood deteriorates as you head east; I wouldn't really want a place east of Main.
I feel like this is a bit of a broad generalization. Sure, there are some undesirable spots east of Main (like Warwick around 39th), but there are also plenty of perfectly nice neighborhoods like Southmooreland around the Art Institue.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:12 PM
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The OP asked specifically for our personal opinions and broad generalizations. Those are mine from 3 years living in this direct area. He's certainly welcome to take them or leave them.

As far as the northeast of 39th St thing, I definitely wouldn't take that back for anything. We saw one apartment that even made my idea of vintage wither a bit (actually I believe I cried a bit) and we watched a pretty nasty verbal spat in the middle of the day (36th and Wyandotte) and another unit that was small but nice and very cheap right at 39th and Wyandotte called the Ruxton but the apartment building across the street was obviously a nightmare and we watched an open-air drug deal take place in broad daylight right on the front stoop. No thanks, we could, and did do better and I don't see any reason the OP wouldn't be able to either.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:23 PM
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I wasn't trying to say that your opinions and experiences aren't valid or wanted, just that mine were different from yours.

I wouldn't want to live at the Ruxton either - that place always seemed shady and the apartments just across the street (the Villa Maria and especially the Alcazar) seem to be the two main trouble spots in the neighborhood.
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:56 PM
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Southmoreland area just SE of Westport has improved lately. Many apt buildings have either gone condo or have been upgraded. There are still a few 'ghetto' buildings though in the area that need a refurb. A close friend lives there and I walk/bike that hood weekly. Lots of people walking in area including a lot of dog walkers now and Maincor cleanup crew patrols it, which seems to have helped push out the ghetto vibe it used to have.
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