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Old 04-11-2016, 08:49 PM
 
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It's a hipster fad and in a few years things will swing back the other way.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOp_77i58Ks
Forgive us if we don't take you word on what is and is not a "hipster fad".
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Old 04-11-2016, 09:44 PM
 
Location: KCMO
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Yes, because no one wants to move into urban Seattle, Boston, San Francisco, Denver, etc //sarcasm//


Urban living is sexy, just like suburban living was in the 50's. There is uncertainty whether this is just a "fad" or a real shift in American lifestyle. But with the depletion of resources (water, oil, etc) there is a real question as to whether the suburban lifestyle will be sustainable.

It's good to see Kansas City revitalizing its urban core; I would hate to see us get left behind in the steadily changing future
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Old 04-11-2016, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Tippecanoe County, Indiana
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Yeah, I don't think that is going to be sustained. People get tired of living in close quarters with other people and want their own space. It's fine if you're in college. After that, it gets old. Time will tell.


And you, Granite Stater, always talk about how you like living "off the grid" or close to it.
Yes, I would ultimately prefer a rural area once I become self-employed. For now, it is very convenient to live in the city and be only five minutes away from work.
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Old 04-12-2016, 01:31 PM
 
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Forgive us if we don't take you word on what is and is not a "hipster fad".
"Hipster fad" was from rwiksell's post. I just repeated what he said. And as I said, time will tell.
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Old 04-12-2016, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Tippecanoe County, Indiana
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"Hipster fad" was from rwiksell's post. I just repeated what he said. And as I said, time will tell.
The cities that have the strongest economics continue to grow at fast rates, even very dense ones through gentrification. I don't think that will change too much with time. People are leaving smaller cities and rural areas behind in huge numbers so growth will continue to increase with time in metro areas.
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Old 04-13-2016, 03:44 PM
 
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This would be a good time for me to clear the air on the appropriateness of all three lifestyles: urban, suburban and rural.

Rural living is sustainable and responsible for those who are working or maintaining the land.
These people tend to have dirt or gravel roads, limited infrastructure, and are committed to the long-term health of their immediate environment. It is not sustainable or responsible for those who just want their own 10 acres, so they can be surrounded by nature and do whatever they want without getting hassled by the man. These people also tend to need lots of infrastructure and connectivity. They want rural life, but they still want a smooth commute to their job in the city (or suburbs) as well as high-speed internet, cell phone coverage, etc.

Suburban living is sustainable and responsible in limited amounts, where lot sizes are modest, sidewalks are abundant and access to mass transit is readily available. Suburban living is not sustainable or responsible where conspicuous consumption appears to be the norm. Although even that is not so bad, when extremely limited. The problem is, This conspicuous suburban consumption has become the norm, and is swallowing up vast tracts of previously productive farmland.

Urban living is sustainable and responsible where a diverse array of people mix in the same neighborhoods, and a wide array of opportunities for both living and working is present. This usually results in increased public safety. quality public schools and cultural understanding. Urban living is not sustainable or responsible when socioeconomic classes are segmented, resulting in gentrification on one block and ghettos on the next. Even if safety and education are present in the "good" blocks, they will always suffer from the presence of the ghettos nearby. It's better if the segmentation is avoided in the first place, and integration is encouraged through policy and civic action.
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Old 10-13-2017, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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Maybe it's time for the Kansas side to start working "with" the Missouri side. While these numbers are brutal for the Kansas side, the actual economy of the metro area is improving and KC is actually becoming a more desirable place to live and relocate to, not because of JoCo sprawl, but because of KCMO's urban renaissance, proving that a healthy core city is far more important than a healthy suburb. A metro area needs both a healthy core and vibrant suburbs, but JoCo just never wanted to be a part of both. It seems like the Northland may take over much of the suburban growth over the next couple of decades, but because much of the Northland is in KCMO and it's all in Missouri, they are forced to work with the city rather than against it despite having a normal amount of suburb vs city culture.

Anyway, here are some numbers.

The Missouri side now accounts for 80% of all job growth in the metro area.



Kansas City, MO is by far the fastest growing city in the metro.



Kansas is dead last at 50 out of 50 states losing 9000 jobs while Missouri is 14th gaining 52,300 jobs

Texas 298,600
California 265,100
Florida 221,400
New York 128,600
Georgia 116,500
North Carolina 70,500
Washington 67,300
Maryland 63,600
Michigan 60,300
Pennsylvania 59,400
Virginia 58,700
Massachusetts 57,400
Ohio 57,100
Missouri 52,300
Tennessee 52,200
Colorado 45,800
Minnesota 44,000
Oregon 41,600
Nevada 38,800
New Jersey 38,100
Utah 37,300
South Carolina 35,600
Arizona 34,700
Indiana 31,600
Kentucky 30,500
Alabama 26,900
Louisiana 24,200
Illinois 23,600
Arkansas 23,400
Oklahoma 19,900
Wisconsin 19,000
Iowa 17,200
Idaho 15,200
New Hampshire 14,300
Nebraska 13,500
District of Columbia 13,100
Rhode Island 9,300
New Mexico 8,800
Montana 7,600
Mississippi 6,900
Connecticut 6,000
North Dakota 5,700
Hawaii 3,800
South Dakota 3,300
Delaware 2,800
Maine 2,700
Vermont 1,900
West Virginia 900
Alaska 300
Wyoming (2,400)
Kansas (9,000)
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Old 10-13-2017, 03:30 PM
 
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I really hope Greitens sees this before he does his best to emulate Brownback. Obviously, the Brownback experiment has been a massive failure while Missouri under Nixon fared much better. That goes for Trump and Republicans in Congress as well who want to bring the Brownback plan national.

These really are shocking numbers. Kansas was one of only two states in the nation to loose jobs. The other was Wyoming, who had a big job bubble along with the oil/natural gas boom. I don't know what explains the numbers in Kansas - they didn't have any similar boom/bust bubble. And the Kansas numbers are worse by a long shot, losing 3.75 times as many jobs.
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Old 10-13-2017, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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I really hope Greitens sees this before he does his best to emulate Brownback. Obviously, the Brownback experiment has been a massive failure while Missouri under Nixon fared much better. That goes for Trump and Republicans in Congress as well who want to bring the Brownback plan national.

These really are shocking numbers. Kansas was one of only two states in the nation to loose jobs. The other was Wyoming, who had a big job bubble along with the oil/natural gas boom. I don't know what explains the numbers in Kansas - they didn't have any similar boom/bust bubble. And the Kansas numbers are worse by a long shot, losing 3.75 times as many jobs.
Yea, can you imagine implementing this Brownback plan on a national scale? He destroyed an entire state's economy in a very short period of time. Pretty scary actually.
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Old 10-13-2017, 08:51 PM
 
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I got a letter from Brownback's office yesterday inviting me to bid on a contract next month.
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