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Old 08-12-2016, 08:07 PM
 
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I live on the KS side, but we hang out in Plaza/Westport all the time. I have never felt unsafe there. One night years ago I was at bachelor party when a big barfight broke out but it was broken up pretty quickly. Aside from that, I haven't had a problem down there. It's like any city...as long as you have street-smarts you'll be fine. Generally, if you are going to be out late anywhere you just gotta play it smart...that goes for any city. I've honestly felt a bit more worried walking around Chicago late at night (with colleagues a couple of years ago) then I have ever felt in KC...probably because I was a bit unfamiliar with my surroundings and not 100% sure about directions.
I don't "feel" unsafe, either. But the crime stats don't lie. And the facts speak for themselves. People are being robbed at gunpoint just coming to and leaving work, and it is happening at all times of the day, not just late at night or before dawn.

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Old 08-12-2016, 08:51 PM
 
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I don't "feel" unsafe, either. But the crime stats don't lie. And the facts speak for themselves. People are being robbed at gunpoint just coming to and leaving work, and it is happening at all times of the day, not just late at night or before dawn.
Well you take your chances with anything in life...doesn't mean you should not go out and have fun/enjoy yourself. Or be afraid to go to work.

There probably a heck of a lot more crime on the Vegas strip during the day than in Westport...doesn't seem to keep anyone from going to Vegas.
 
Old 08-12-2016, 10:16 PM
 
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Well you take your chances with anything in life...doesn't mean you should not go out and have fun/enjoy yourself. Or be afraid to go to work.

There probably a heck of a lot more crime on the Vegas strip during the day than in Westport...doesn't seem to keep anyone from going to Vegas.
It's foolish to deny there is a crime problem in the Plaza/Westport area, though, which is what people here do. They pretend that everything is fine in Kansas City. They told me it wasn't true several months ago when I pointed to this exact crime problem in this exact area.


Most rational people don't want to put themselves in any more danger than necessary, which is why a lot of people choose to live, work and play in areas with lower crime.
 
Old 08-13-2016, 10:19 AM
 
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It's foolish to deny there is a crime problem in the Plaza/Westport area, though, which is what people here do. They pretend that everything is fine in Kansas City. They told me it wasn't true several months ago when I pointed to this exact crime problem in this exact area.


Most rational people don't want to put themselves in any more danger than necessary, which is why a lot of people choose to live, work and play in areas with lower crime.
Yet Westport and the Plaza comprise the mostly densely populated area of the metro, they have some of the metro's highest amount of jobs per square mile, and they continuously attract crowds of people "playing" at a higher level than any other area of the metro, though downtown is catching up. More people live, work and play in those 2 neighborhood than in many suburbs 10, 20, and 50 times their geographic size.

Maybe lots and lots and lots of people just aren't unreasonably scared all the time.
 
Old 08-13-2016, 10:24 AM
 
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Yet Westport and the Plaza comprise the mostly densely populated area of the metro, they have some of the metro's highest amount of jobs per square mile, and they continuously attract crowds of people "playing" at a higher level than any other area of the metro, though downtown is catching up. More people live, work and play in those 2 neighborhood than in many suburbs 10, 20, and 50 times their geographic size.

Maybe lots and lots and lots of people just aren't unreasonably scared all the time.
I wouldn't call it being "unreasonably scared" to not want to be held up at gunpoint. And the fact that a major employer is trying to protect employees in the area is telling. I think it's funny how all of you downplay the seriousness of crime in the area when major employers DO NOT.
 
Old 08-13-2016, 10:39 AM
 
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I wouldn't call it being "unreasonably scared" to not want to be held up at gunpoint. And the fact that a major employer is trying to protect employees in the area is telling. I think it's funny how all of you downplay the seriousness of crime in the area when major employers DO NOT.
It sounds like you are a lot more concerned than most given the amouNT of people out here enjoying a beautiful day. Classic Cup patio is packed.

Not saying it's a bad thing....but if you are always nervous about things you can't control then you will miss out on a lot of fun...
 
Old 08-13-2016, 11:35 AM
 
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It sounds like you are a lot more concerned than most given the amouNT of people out here enjoying a beautiful day. Classic Cup patio is packed.

Not saying it's a bad thing....but if you are always nervous about things you can't control then you will miss out on a lot of fun...
I'm not nervous. I'm stating there is a crime problem in Plaza/Westport.
 
Old 08-13-2016, 12:34 PM
 
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I'm not nervous. I'm stating there is a crime problem in Plaza/Westport.
There is a crime "problem" in literally every community of the world, if by "problem" you mean that crime exists. But that's not what anybody means by "problem". The trouble is, everybody means something different.

The question that is causing all the head-butting on this thread is exactly how bad crime has to get before it can be considered a problem. Since there is no objective standard for this, there is no way to come to an agreement. But here's my 2 cents anyway:

Less crime is always better than more, obviously. But if a neighborhood is buzzing with activity, businesses are flourishing, and people of all stripes can be seen casually walking around, then you don't have a crime problem.

Westport and the Plaza need to keep an eye on crime, and should always be looking for ways to reduce it. But the success of these neighborhoods is a testament to their reasonable levels of crime.
 
Old 08-13-2016, 02:03 PM
 
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I'm not nervous. I'm stating there is a crime problem in Plaza/Westport.
Crime in Westport and the Plaza has been steadily decreasing for the last 25 years.
 
Old 08-13-2016, 02:06 PM
 
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Plaza and westport seem much safer than most busy areas of urban Pittsburgh. Actually I think you would have to be pretty much scared of any urban area anywhere to feel unsafe there.
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