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Old 08-23-2016, 01:55 PM
 
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Not in my experience.
In my experience, your experience is mostly comprised of confirmation bias and trolling.
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Old 08-23-2016, 01:57 PM
 
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In my experience, your experience is mostly comprised of confirmation bias and trolling.
I think you are talking about kcmo, not me. That's my experience.
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Old 08-23-2016, 01:57 PM
 
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Not in my experience. There were a lot of vacant, rundown buildings that now have been "repurposed." Weren't you like in Jr. High in the 80s?
In "your" experience...lol. So like all the other posts where you disagree with facts because of your personal experience, I guess you are right. Less people worked downtown in the 80's and it was not busier during the day with workers than it is now.

Just like Kansas teachers are not leaving the state...well because you know a kansas teacher...


Can you and mathguy at least try to stay with the same topic you reply too. Every one of your posts change the topic when you quote somebody just like this one did. I said Downtown had more people working there and was more lively during the day. You reply with no it was not, it had more vacant buildings. Okay. Every city was decaying in the 80's. Like KC, those buildings are being converted to residential. KC still lost more jobs to the suburbs than almost any other city in the country and Kansas incentives have a lot to do with that.
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Old 08-23-2016, 02:00 PM
 
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In "your" experience...lol. So like all the other posts where you disagree with facts because of your personal experience, I guess you are right. Less people worked downtown in the 80's and it was not busier during the day with workers than it is now.

Just like Kansas teachers are not leaving the state...well because you know a kansas teacher...


Can you and mathguy at least try to stay with the same topic you reply too. Every one of your posts change the topic when you quote somebody just like this one did. I said Downtown had more people working there and was more lively during the day. You reply with no it was not, it had more vacant buildings. Okay. Every city was decaying in the 80's. Like KC, those buildings are being converted to residential. KC still lost more jobs to the suburbs than almost any other city in the country and Kansas incentives have a lot to do with that.
And you were in the junior high in the 80s, so "your" experience doesn't count for much, does it? At least I was downtown every day during part of the 80s (notice that there is no apostrophe - my Kansas education taught me that an apostrophe is incorrect - which I guess your Missouri education didn't teach you), so I saw firsthand what was going on. You were in some KCMO classroom getting a subpar education.
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Old 08-23-2016, 02:25 PM
 
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I don't know what companies moved during that time. I was in my 20s and had young children and was busy with that. I just know downtown was pretty sparse and no one wanted to live or work down there (my husband worked downtown at the time) and the businesses that were actually downtown were few, lots of empty buildings, and NO ONE went downtown after dark. It was not a desirable place to be. And during that time, there was a shift of some businesses to Johnson County.


Missouri takes businesses from Kansas and vice versa. Both sides do it. Businesses are free to move across the state line if they want to. If they are offered a tax incentive by one side or the other (and BOTH sides do it), why wouldn't they move? And some businesses just move because they want to. I have said before that when I had a business I absolutely would choose Johnson County over KCMO, just because to me it was a better location for my business. It's a hassle for people - business owners, employees and customers - to drive downtown.


I STILL don't like to go downtown and don't do it unless I need to. I went to Crown Center a couple of weeks ago and the parking garage parking was a nightmare. Give me a surface lot where I can park easily and walk across the lot to where I need to go. Smelly, outdated, crowded parking garages annoy me.
Really you can't name not one employer/company but still talking?

In this case, stop that narrative that no companies wanted to be there if you are not able to prove that they did not move because they were poached. You are using your opinion to justify a case, and you should know that s not how it works, we have clear case that poaching happened and in return you have those companies in exurban Kansas.
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Old 08-23-2016, 02:32 PM
 
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luziane, you don't know what you are talking about. Downtown was BOOMING in the 1980s. From the late 70s to mid 80s there were more tower cranes up downtown then you ever see now. Most of the modern skyline was built in the 80s. Downtown had over 100,000 jobs and parking lots were full many blocks away. Even the older buildings were being used. Those didn't start to go vacant till the mid 90s. Today KC has a fraction of that working downtown. It's all moved to Kansas.

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Old 08-23-2016, 02:48 PM
 
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And you were in the junior high in the 80s, so "your" experience doesn't count for much, does it? At least I was downtown every day during part of the 80s (notice that there is no apostrophe - my Kansas education taught me that an apostrophe is incorrect - which I guess your Missouri education didn't teach you), so I saw firsthand what was going on. You were in some KCMO classroom getting a subpar education.
When you call out someone's incorrected use of an apostrophe, but make a grammar error in your own message...
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Old 08-23-2016, 02:50 PM
 
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Downtown KCMO lost 16,000 jobs from 2001-2011 alone. It has probably lost 40,000 jobs from 1995 to 2015. If it were not for the government (state, local and fed), there might only be 10k jobs downtown today if that. Downtown has changed A LOT. It's gone from a busy/congested business center during the day (but dead at night) to sort of active (but not really busy) all the time.

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Old 08-23-2016, 02:54 PM
 
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Downtown KCMO has lost 16,000 jobs since 2001 alone.
I've never met anyone who worked downtown and their job moved, so you must be lying.
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Old 08-23-2016, 02:56 PM
 
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luziane, you don't know what you are talking about. Downtown was BOOMING in the 1980s. From the late 70s to mid 80s there were more tower cranes up downtown then you ever see now. Most of the modern skyline was built in the 80s. Downtown had over 100,000 jobs and parking lots were full many blocks away. Even the older buildings were being used. Those didn't start to go vacant till the mid 90s. Today KC has a fraction of that working downtown. It's all moved to Kansas.
You are crazy. Downtown KC was absolutely NOT booming. It was declining for a long time. When I was down there every day was actually 1984 on. But it was in decline before that. I remember One KC Place being built and the "Jetson's" looking things on Bartle Hall. That's when things started to improve. Before that, it was in decline.


One KC Place was built in the late 80s and the convention center sculptures in 1992 to 1994, somewhere in there. As I said, that is when things started to improve. If it was going vacant at that time, why would they be building new office buildings and spending money on sculptures? They wouldn't.


And KCMO has no one to blame but themselves for businesses moving to Kansas.
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