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Old 10-20-2016, 06:28 PM
 
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the point is...families should feel comfortable and able to move anywhere. This country is based and built on families. The way cities are today, families would not/choose not for the most part to move into urban areas because of the social/political ways the urban areas are now. Neither would working class middle income people. The urban areas of cities are for wealthy whites..etc. Trying to hold Baltimore up as a place KC should strive to be more like is the same as holding Detroit up to Oklahoma City as what they strive to be. "Enlighten/Progressive" people probably don't understand this of course
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Old 10-20-2016, 08:36 PM
 
Location: KCMO (Plaza)
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the point is...families should feel comfortable and able to move anywhere. This country is based and built on families. The way cities are today, families would not/choose not for the most part to move into urban areas because of the social/political ways the urban areas are now. Neither would working class middle income people. The urban areas of cities are for wealthy whites..etc. Trying to hold Baltimore up as a place KC should strive to be more like is the same as holding Detroit up to Oklahoma City as what they strive to be. "Enlighten/Progressive" people probably don't understand this of course
I don't necessarily disagree with you about what a modern city has become in America, i.e. serves a particular subset of the population in society. Unfortunately, I don't foresee any changes to the current landscape. Cities attempted to crater to the suburban crowd that once lived in the urban core and all that left us with was countless urban renewal projects that demolished dense areas for surface lots and freeways, e.g. the North Loop in KC is a tragic hallmark of that time. Cities since that time have re-imagined themselves as a playground of sorts to draw people in, i.e. Power and Light District, as their original function as the center of the region had diminished to say the least. Now, some cities still exist as a multi-layered environment such as New York City and it nearby boroughs while others don't. In essence, what's the future of the center of the city? Will it return as a diverse environment for all than today's more niche environment?. That could still happen or not.


The 'egalitarian city for all?' 11th and Walnut.


The 'playground city for the rich?' 14th and Walnut.
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Old 10-20-2016, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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the point is...families should feel comfortable and able to move anywhere. This country is based and built on families. The way cities are today, families would not/choose not for the most part to move into urban areas because of the social/political ways the urban areas are now. Neither would working class middle income people. The urban areas of cities are for wealthy whites..etc. Trying to hold Baltimore up as a place KC should strive to be more like is the same as holding Detroit up to Oklahoma City as what they strive to be. "Enlighten/Progressive" people probably don't understand this of course
First off, I never said anything about KC needing to be like Baltimore. I just said that "even" Baltimore has a ton going on with residential and office construction in the central city. More than KC, after a very long period of almost nothing happening there.

Cities all across the country are seeing massive urban core investment. KC is actually still a little behind the curve and while it's catching up on downtown residential, it won't be sustainable because the jobs are all out in the burbs. KC will eventually hit a wall of how many people want to live downtown and commute to some suburban office park.

Most people with small children are not going to be interested in living in downtown lofts or condos so yes, all this new gentrification in cities is generally not going to be families. But it's not just white people either. It's educated people of all races, young people and empty nesters. I would say that white people are less than 50% of those moving into all the new residential towers popping up where I work in the DC area.

The vast majority of metro KC residents will continue to live in a suburban area even if Downtown KC reaches a population of 100,000. Trying to make downtown appealing to that demographic is a waste of time and money. But having 100,000 people living downtown gives suburbanites a much nicer downtown to visit and claim as the center of "their" city. KC needs to continue building out Beacon Hill. That's the type of family oriented urban core development KC can build to lure families and remove blight. But there is only so much demand for a 300k single family home on the fringe of downtown, but also on the fringe of the ghetto, especially in a midwestern city like kc where traffic and commuting are so easy which gives little incentive to living closer in.
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Old 10-21-2016, 12:11 PM
 
Location: KCMO
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the point is...families should feel comfortable and able to move anywhere. This country is based and built on families. The way cities are today, families would not/choose not for the most part to move into urban areas because of the social/political ways the urban areas are now. Neither would working class middle income people. The urban areas of cities are for wealthy whites..etc. Trying to hold Baltimore up as a place KC should strive to be more like is the same as holding Detroit up to Oklahoma City as what they strive to be. "Enlighten/Progressive" people probably don't understand this of course
What? Baltimore and KC are more alike than OKC and Detroit are to each other.
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Old 10-21-2016, 02:02 PM
 
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Since this thread was posted, a baby was choked by a stranger at an Overland Park Walmart and a human trafficking ring was busted running an underage sex-slavery operation in Overland Park.

Somehow those incidents didn't merit the attention of the JoCo branch of the KCMO crime blotter.
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Old 10-21-2016, 09:16 PM
 
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Both of those things have been all over the news (as well as the two road rage homicides elsewhere in the metro). But I'm sure it will be pointed out that they involved people "not even from JoCo."
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Old 10-25-2016, 12:00 PM
 
Location: KCMO (Plaza)
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More black youths causing problems nearby. It's like a never ending story...

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Teenagers with rocks attack mother and children near the Country Club Plaza

A group of teenagers with rocks attacked a mother and two children Saturday night at an intersection east of the Country Club Plaza, according to the mother, who spoke with The Star on Monday.

Read more here: Group of teens attack woman, kids in van near Country Club Plaza | The Kansas City Star
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Since this thread was posted, a baby was choked by a stranger at an Overland Park Walmart and a human trafficking ring was busted running an underage sex-slavery operation in Overland Park.

Somehow those incidents didn't merit the attention of the JoCo branch of the KCMO crime blotter.
The Walmart on 75th Street is a crap hole that should be demolished. I can't say much on the sex-trafficking ring other than I hope the perpetrators rot in prison.
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Old 10-25-2016, 02:56 PM
 
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More black youths causing problems nearby. It's like a never ending story...

The Walmart on 75th Street is a crap hole that should be demolished. I can't say much on the sex-trafficking ring other than I hope the perpetrators rot in prison.

There was a murder at Westport Saturday night too.

Like TabulaRasa alluded, the guy who tried to strangle the baby at Walmart was from New Jersey, not from this area.

About the sex trafficking sting, there were people arrested all over the metro. It's not a reflection on Overland Park when scumbags bring that crap here, any more than it is a reflection on the other parts of the metro where arrests were made.


Four charged as part of sex trafficking investigation in Kansas City area | The Kansas City Star

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Old 10-25-2016, 07:05 PM
 
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And another shooting tonight near Loose Park. Two dead and one injured.
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Old 10-25-2016, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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And another shooting tonight near Loose Park. Two dead and one injured.
That looks like a domestic dispute or something rather than some random violent crime. I have relatives in that area and still visit it often. It's a very nice area and something like this will have no impact on it.

Not sure what your point is with posting this.
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