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Old 10-14-2017, 08:51 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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If the Confederates hadn't conquered Independence in 1862 and again in 1864, it may very well have been the Independence metro area today. That would have pushed the core about ten miles to the east and shifted the population and therefore balance of power significantly in favor of Missouri. And people across the country would no longer be confused about what state it was in.

So you can thank the South for the mess that is the KC metro.
On and on we go in the KC forum....the goto place for a KC perspective unshared by the majority of its residents.

The KC metro is much less a mess than most other large metros.
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Old 10-14-2017, 10:52 AM
 
Location: First Hill, Seattle
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On and on we go in the KC forum....the goto place for a KC perspective unshared by the majority of its residents.

The KC metro is much less a mess than most other large metros.
Yeah I know how you feel. You probably think Alabama is just a little slice of heaven.
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Old 10-14-2017, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh PA
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Yeah I know how you feel. You probably think Alabama is just a little slice of heaven.
Alabama, Mississippi, Kansas.... Not much of a difference now. Missouri may be next.
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Old 10-14-2017, 12:38 PM
 
Location: IN
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Alabama, Mississippi, Kansas.... Not much of a difference now. Missouri may be next.
That is why I prefer most of the northern tier states... The ones in the middle end up becoming more influenced by the South over time.
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Old 10-14-2017, 01:14 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Yeah I know how you feel. You probably think Alabama is just a little slice of heaven.
A sentence indicating clearly that you have no idea how I feel.
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Old 10-14-2017, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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That is why I prefer most of the northern tier states... The ones in the middle end up becoming more influenced by the South over time.
I once said to a native Kentuckian that "Pennsyltucky" is an insult to Kentucky.

The two states of the "Middle South" (Kentucky and Tennessee) are more like the "border states" (which Kentucky actually was, IIRC) than like the heart of the Confederacy, or even Virginia with its more genteel plantocracy.

Pennsylvania's turn to the right is (a) not all that Southern-flavored, I'd like to suggest (b) still moderated by the large presence of (increasingly upper-)middle-class Democrats in and around its largest cities (just "in" in the case of Erie, the Wyoming Valley [Scranton/Wilkes-Barre], Lancaster and Harrisburg).

But that does distinguish it from Missouri right now.
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Old 10-14-2017, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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The KC metro is much less a mess than most other large metros.
In terms of traffic congestion, yes.

In terms of pulling together as a region to support projects to advance the good of the whole, no - it's almost up there with Greater Philadelphia on the dysfunctionality scale.

"Almost" because there have been some notable successes in Greater Kansas City, such as the approval of the tax that funded the restoration of Union Station and the housing of the city's science museum in it.
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Old 10-14-2017, 03:59 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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In terms of traffic congestion, yes.

In terms of pulling together as a region to support projects to advance the good of the whole, no - it's almost up there with Greater Philadelphia on the dysfunctionality scale.

"Almost" because there have been some notable successes in Greater Kansas City, such as the approval of the tax that funded the restoration of Union Station and the housing of the city's science museum in it.
But he wasn't talking about traffic and nor was I.

There is no "good of the whole" because there is no "whole" outside of the imagination of the collective left.
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Old 10-14-2017, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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But he wasn't talking about traffic and nor was I.

There is no "good of the whole" because there is no "whole" outside of the imagination of the collective left.
Not true.

Even conservatives recognize something called "society," or at least used to.

Your own comments presume to speak for a collective entity called "Kansas Citians" often enough.

Translated Missouri's state motto from Latin lately?

It explicitly refers to a collective entity. "The people" are understood not to be an amalgamation of individuals only; it refers both to individuals singly and as a whole.
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Old 10-15-2017, 04:26 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Not true.

Even conservatives recognize something called "society," or at least used to.

Your own comments presume to speak for a collective entity called "Kansas Citians" often enough.

Translated Missouri's state motto from Latin lately?

It explicitly refers to a collective entity. "The people" are understood not to be an amalgamation of individuals only; it refers both to individuals singly and as a whole.
That there is something called "society" does not infer widespread acceptance of the twisted agenda of today's urbanist regressives. And the large-scale rejection of that agenda in the KC metro is what leads to the "mess" label by regressives.

US "society" evolved beyond "transit" a hundred years ago and enjoyed convenient, safe air travel for most of those years free of the deluded notion of a pressing need for airports to be redesigned and rebuilt from a police state blueprint at billion dollar cost.

As life quality slip-slides away for average people in regressive metros, Kansas City continues to extend its lead simply by refusing to join the silliest party thrown since the fall of the Roman Empire.
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