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Old 02-15-2017, 01:57 PM
 
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Right. Because Johnson County has zero murders.

In actuality, Overland Park (for example) had 5 murders in 2016, and 6 in 2015. 6 is a new record, by the way, and triple the number from almost any previous year. Oh no!!!!

You are smart enough to realize that the murder rate in KCMO is almost entirely due to east side neighborhoods, which virtually nobody visits unless they live there.

Imagine if Overland Park's boundaries just happened to include KCK. What would that do to its murder rate? It would be be way way higher. But would that change the life of OP residents in any way, or put you in any danger? Of course not.

Or imagine if a new family of 6 moved into the big house next door to you in Prairie Village, and they seem perfectly normal until the father/husband completely snaps and murders his whole family and then ends his own life (God forbid). This would cause the Prairie Village murder rate to go crazy, and certainly it would rattle the neighbors. But does that change your personal risk of being victimized in any way? Of course not.

So yes, a few bodies (5 for instance, in OP in 2016) here and there does not mean that YOU will be murdered. Thank you for making my point, despite your attempt to be sarcastic.
The murders in Westport and the Plaza and downtown aren't east side. Try again.
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Old 02-15-2017, 02:03 PM
 
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The fact that you keep harping on it tells me that although you call it "stupid," you are afraid that it really might happen.
Modcut including Kansans other than the most die hard and desperate Kansans (or those that will be directly financially benefited from it) would call the idea stupid.

I harp on it for two reasons.

KCI needs a new terminal and many people in KC still don't know why KCI needs a new terminal. They shouldn't have to know why. The airport should be able to improve itself without asking permission from the general public about a very complicated and technical issue.

Brownback is an idiot and probably the biggest enemy to bringing the KC area together since he took office. He has done nothing but do everything in his power to poach the Missouri side economy I guess because that's all they can do to grow the state.

There is no chance of a Kansas side airport that would be anything more than a joke. Similar to Mid America Airport in Metro east IL. A stupid little airport that was built to compete with Lambert and still sits empty in the middle of nowhere 20 years later. Kansas already tried this in the 1980's with New Century and the airlines laughed at the idea till Kansas finally gave up. It makes no sense when you have KCI, which has the runway capacity for 3-4 times the current traffic with a new terminal. All FAA and public infrastructure is in place and it's not landlocked. Plus a new airport won't be any closer, especially to the cultural and business center of the city. KC is trying to bring back its convention business. Moving KCI even further away from downtown will do it no favors.

But the city, the airport, the northland business community etc will use the Brownback proposal as a reason to get a new terminal done. As will I.

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Old 02-15-2017, 06:55 PM
 
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[color=red]Modcut including Kansans other than the most die hard and desperate Kansans (or those that will be directly financially benefited from it) would call the idea stupid.

I harp on it for two reasons.

KCI needs a new terminal and many people in KC still don't know why KCI needs a new terminal. They shouldn't have to know why. The airport should be able to improve itself without asking permission from the general public about a very complicated and technical issue.

Brownback is an idiot and probably the biggest enemy to bringing the KC area together since he took office. He has done nothing but do everything in his power to poach the Missouri side economy I guess because that's all they can do to grow the state.

There is no chance of a Kansas side airport that would be anything more than a joke. Similar to Mid America Airport in Metro east IL. A stupid little airport that was built to compete with Lambert and still sits empty in the middle of nowhere 20 years later. Kansas already tried this in the 1980's with New Century and the airlines laughed at the idea till Kansas finally gave up. It makes no sense when you have KCI, which has the runway capacity for 3-4 times the current traffic with a new terminal. All FAA and public infrastructure is in place and it's not landlocked. Plus a new airport won't be any closer, especially to the cultural and business center of the city. KC is trying to bring back its convention business. Moving KCI even further away from downtown will do it no favors.

But the city, the airport, the northland business community etc will use the Brownback proposal as a reason to get a new terminal done. As will I.
Modcut


When I told you last week there is no more land to develop in Johnson County (regarding housing), you told me there is WAY more land that is available, that it's not nearly all developed, and there is much more space available to build homes in Johnson County than on the Missouri side. Now you say it's landlocked. You change what you say depending on what argument you are trying to promote at any given time.


Again, if it was such a stupid idea to built an airport in Johnson County, you'd not even bother to comment on it because you'd know it wasn't going to happen. I think you are worried it might. If it does, it'll give you many more years to cry about Johnson County poaching from KCMO. And you seem to like that, so it's sort of a win for you!

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Old 02-16-2017, 08:58 AM
 
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The murders in Westport and the Plaza and downtown aren't east side. Try again.
I didn't say they were. I said the east side was the reason for the high murder rate in KCMO, and there's really no disputing this. We'd already established that every sizeable city, and suburb, has at least some murders, so of course there will be some in every district of KCMO, east, west, north and south.

Let's get back to talking about the airport, shall we?
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Old 02-17-2017, 11:58 AM
 
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http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascit...lore-more.html

Last part of article hits nail on the head:

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A shiny new airport in Johnson County would attract new development and new jobs. But how much of this development and how many jobs merely will be moved from one side of the state line to the other? We’ve already seen from the economic Border War that this approach is perhaps more effective at reducing the region’s tax base than in adding net new jobs to the metro area.

So let’s explore, as a region, the possibilities of promoting desperately needed renovations to KCI and pursue development investments that don’t involve trashing valuable existing assets.
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Old 02-17-2017, 12:50 PM
 
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^ A thousand times Yes
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Old 02-17-2017, 10:33 PM
 
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http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascit...lore-more.html

Last part of article hits nail on the head:
Paywalled.

Anyone want to lend me their KCBJ subscription?
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Old 02-22-2017, 08:37 AM
 
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Seems to me that the Kansas "proposal" is a positive development. It almost certainly will not happen, but it may push KC to finally do something about KCI. Any new airport in Kansas would only move forward after commitments from pretty much all of the major airlines to move to that airport. Otherwise, Kansas would run the risk of spending 10 years building the airport only to have KCI finally move forward with a new terminal and all the airlines staying there. So KCMO has until such a commitment would be made to get its act together and get started on a new terminal.

I don't like Brownback in the least. But the boarder war doesn't really figure into my dislike of Brownback. It's his job to bring businesses to Kansas. I wish those efforts didn't hurt KC, but I can't really fault a governor for trying to improve his state's economy. It's a shame the KC metro and downtown KC have to be victims of that game -- a game all states play. So if Brownback wants to bring an airport to Kansas, let him try. The ball is in KCMO's court. If they can get moving before a solid proposal from Kansas can cause the airlines to commit to moving, KCMO has nothing to worry about.

Disclosure: I live in Kansas, but would much rather see the KC Metro grow and thrive at the expense of my state than the other way around. And I also imagine that the net benefit to either side of the boarder of poaching businesses is probably small or non-existent. Too bad we can't focus more on poaching from Illinois, Iowa and even California. Seems like half of Dallas's growth is from Californians moving to Texas.

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Old 02-22-2017, 06:15 PM
 
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Modcut including Kansans other than the most die hard and desperate Kansans (or those that will be directly financially benefited from it) would call the idea stupid.

I harp on it for two reasons.

KCI needs a new terminal and many people in KC still don't know why KCI needs a new terminal. They shouldn't have to know why. The airport should be able to improve itself without asking permission from the general public about a very complicated and technical issue.

Brownback is an idiot and probably the biggest enemy to bringing the KC area together since he took office. He has done nothing but do everything in his power to poach the Missouri side economy I guess because that's all they can do to grow the state.

There is no chance of a Kansas side airport that would be anything more than a joke. Similar to Mid America Airport in Metro east IL. A stupid little airport that was built to compete with Lambert and still sits empty in the middle of nowhere 20 years later. Kansas already tried this in the 1980's with New Century and the airlines laughed at the idea till Kansas finally gave up. It makes no sense when you have KCI, which has the runway capacity for 3-4 times the current traffic with a new terminal. All FAA and public infrastructure is in place and it's not landlocked. Plus a new airport won't be any closer, especially to the cultural and business center of the city. KC is trying to bring back its convention business. Moving KCI even further away from downtown will do it no favors.

But the city, the airport, the northland business community etc will use the Brownback proposal as a reason to get a new terminal done. As will I.
I disagree, Brownback is not an idiot. He's a conservative and smart and good man. America could use more like him and we have them now with the new administration Thank God. Mid America Airport in IL side of St Louis was built not to compete with Lambert, but to catch the overflow from Lambert. At the time, the new runway wasn't open, TWA was at 500+ flights a day and Lambert was maxed out. It would have been a good airport for Southwest if TWA hadn't been absorbed by American and taken out. After flying out and back to KCI this last week, I can see the reason just to keep KCI as the main airport. I was a TWA "child", my mother worked 40 years retiring once America bought them, so I have good insight about KCI and the ''whys'' of it all. I did get to chat with some Southwest employees deadheading to Love Field on my flight down and from what they said, Southwest would love to have more flights and destinations from KCI but KCI doesn't work for them and the potential for them at KC will never materialize. Sad to think that KCI was an elephant from day 1 with TWA and now for other airlines.
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Old 02-22-2017, 07:22 PM
 
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I disagree, Brownback is not an idiot. He's a conservative and smart and good man. America could use more like him
Brownback doesn't understand basic economics or how to run anything other than to fleece the middle class on down to pay more in taxes for negative economic growth combined with a large-scale out-migration of people out of the state. Check all the data from the BLS and Census Data and get back to me on the health of Kansas currently.
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