How "southern" is Kansas City? (St. Louis, Clayton: transfer, gated)

[Claytonian4]

Originally Posted by mo guy

I would like to point out - that you posted multiple comments to my post ---which clearly proves my point --- there would not be a thread if you were trying to distance your history ---perhaps a better question --- Does KC also have an inferiority complex? --- well yes - I think it does! KC sometimes reminds me of Texas --the way you have to make up stuff and brag about ( silly) ---like" more fountains than Rome" --- "the Paris of the Plains" ---please -- you are sounding rather quaint - lol


My question to YOU is --- what exactly is KC's Core? -- it's SOUTHERN


KC - and the whole of MESSouri --- is a complicated pile of mess --- just say'n --- YA'LL

You state this in defiance of facts. You have lost this argument and are a waste of time. I suppose you think the earth is flat too and that we never went to the Moon?

[Claytonian4]

Originally Posted by mo guy

Thank you for proving my point --- like Gen Grant --- I accept your surrender


Whenever a Southerner arrives in St Louis ---and learns that General Sherman is buried there --- plus that General Grants house - GRANTS FARM --- is huge tourist attraction --- that's enough to traumatize them and make them move on to CONFEDERATE Kansas City --- LOL

Perhaps a lunacy commission oughta be appointed on your behalf

[lovekcmo]

I don't think of KC as being southern but as more solid midwestern. I think of St Louis as being more southern, blues music, architecture, culture, slavery, etc.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by lovekcmo

I don't think of KC as being southern but as more solid midwestern. I think of St Louis as being more southern, blues music, architecture, culture, slavery, etc.

I agree with you but need to point out that slavery was not a feature that distinguished one from the other.

Plantation culture had established itself in neither city, and one could find slaves in both cities.

[Claytonian4]

Originally Posted by lovekcmo

I don't think of KC as being southern but as more solid midwestern. I think of St Louis as being more southern, blues music, architecture, culture, slavery, etc.

St. Louis isn't Southern at all. Slavery was present in KC too. And KC had Blues music. St. Louis architecture isn't Southern at all. Chicago had blues music as did Detroit. Are you going to call those places Southern? st. Louis culture isn't Southern either. Not all places that had slavery were Southern. And if anything, KC is more Southern than St. Louis ever was.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by Claytonian4

St. Louis isn't Southern at all. Slavery was present in KC too. And KC had Blues music. St. Louis architecture isn't Southern at all. Chicago had blues music as did Detroit. Are you going to call those places Southern? st. Louis culture isn't Southern either. Not all places that had slavery were Southern. And if anything, KC is more Southern than St. Louis ever was.

(emphasis added)

And thus it comes full circle.

The reference, of course, is historical, as has already been noted in this discussion: the counties that bordered the Kansas Territory were full of Confederate sympathizers while St. Louis remained pro-Union.

But neither city is Southern in culture, architecture or attitudes. An analogue to St. Louis is Baltimore, an industrial and port city in a state the Civil War also tore in two.

But there is one linguistic remnant of the South that one finds more in Kansas City and just about not at all in St. Louis:

The way people pronounce the state name, which does follow an east-west split.

Eastern Missourians tend to pronounce "Missouri" with a long E ending.

Southeastern Missourians tend to pronounce it with a schwa ending ("Missoura" or "Missouruh").

You'll hear both pronunciations in Western Missouri (I use the "ee" ending myself, and I'm from that part of the state, but I heard plenty of people say "Missoura" in and around Kansas City too).

[Hal Roach]

My dad graduated from college in Liberty. His fraternity held Old South Week every year. One year Aunt Jemimah came and cooked pancakes at the frat house. Probably a piece of history that will be swept under the rug.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by Hal Roach

My dad graduated from college in Liberty. His fraternity held Old South Week every year. One year Aunt Jemimah came and cooked pancakes at the frat house. Probably a piece of history that will be swept under the rug.

Perhaps reinforcing this point:

"Aunt Jemima" was a marketing character created by the St. Joseph flour mill that produced the pancake flour.

[MoNative34]

Originally Posted by Claytonian4

You state this in defiance of facts. You have lost this argument and are a waste of time. I suppose you think the earth is flat too and that we never went to the Moon?

Oh, ajf131, stlouisan, nlst..... You're not being nice.

[Claytonian4]

Originally Posted by MoNative34

Oh, ajf131, stlouisan, nlst..... You're not being nice.

I don’t know who those people are you’re referring to. And who asked you to take my inventory? Worry about yourself.