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Old 12-12-2008, 09:00 PM
 
Location: NW Missouri
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Now that I'm back in the St. Joe area and shopping there I can tell you that it's not any different than where I just came from..Austin, Tx. I lived there 25 yrs. and dealt with all kinds and lived among all kinds and the people in St. Joe are no different. I think you find whatever you're looking for wherever you are. Customer service has been great..traffic no different. I like it.
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:13 PM
 
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I agree whole-heartedly with NWGuy74. I like the swahili comment. I like to refer to Saint Joseph as a Cultural Wasteland. There are very few cool restaurants or bars to hang out at in St. Joe. It seems the residents think that corporate chain food is the greatest thing on earth. I can think of a few places that are at least trying to overcome the lack of culture in St joe. Fosters Martini Bar is kind of nice for a change. Cafe Acoustic is trying to fit the laidback hippie image, but the bar sucks as far as beverage selections. As far as food goes there is absolutely nothing good: Barbosas covers everything in cheese whiz and is just a glorified taco bell and not even close to authentic, I ate at Galvins once and the food sucked there too (chicken was overcooked and it was a buffet, another popular amenity to st. joe restaurants), Boudreauxs is decent but it will mess up your stomach and food is rather boring and bland, Hoof and Horn is absolute $h!t and way overpriced for the horrid ambiance and subpar food and service (think of the cracker barrel only way more crackerish, if that is even possible, with asbestos falling from the ceiling), Frederick Inn is the same as H&H. Every other restaurant is basically corporate and I am not even going to give them the decency of a review. I haven't tried 36th Street or D&G so I can't knock them yet. I am saddened that the lady at Taco Del Sol is korean but only makes mexican food, for the most part, because of St. Joe being a cultural wasteland. The absolute worst restaurant in St. Joe would have to be Betty's Cafe in the King Hill area. I have never ate at a restaurant with food that horrible. I am hoping that with the recent opening of triumph foods that we will start to see some authentic mexican restaurants instead of whitewashed places like El Maguey, La Mesa and San Jose. Oh, even the chinese food in the town is horrible. Hunan's is very whitewashed (to the point that I think their brown sauces use brown gravy mix instead of soy sauce). Don't even get me started on China Buffet. I actually enjoy eating at Fuji's Japanese Steak eventhough the food is just ok compared to some others i have tried. At least they offer a bit of culture (and I am not talking about the hibachi grills, eventhough they are a good introduction to ethnic foods for children). There use to be a place called sunset cafe or something like that by the casino that was decent, but it closed recently. Overall, St Joe is the worst place to eat period! I have even been to several small towns in this region of missouri that have much better food and culture.
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Old 02-26-2009, 10:47 AM
 
Location: south Missouri
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Simply put...the people (natives), for the most part, are extremely bitter, mean people.

If it were possible to only mingle with the imports, it would be fine.

I met and befriended some natives I worked with that were great people...that being said, they were the exception.

Hmmm...I'm a native and I'm neither mean nor bitter. St. Joe has a lot of great history but some areas are not so great.

As for the original question, I would steer clear of anything in the Messanie Street area; that's been bad for decades. Good areas would include Lover's Lane, Ashland Avenue, and from there to the Belt Highway which would encompass everything from old vintage homes (large) to neat, modern ranch styles.

If I were looking for a "good" neighborhood, I would probably not look in either the traditional North End or South End; neither is what they used to be. I grew up in the North End but I wouldn't want to live in my old neighborhood now although I have relatives who do.

And before too many folks totally trash St. Joe, you might stop and think that all the good jobs and decent employers left decades ago so if there are no trendy bars or restaurants or upscale crap, it could be because those folks who still live there have little money to blow on such things.

If you want a good restaurant, you can't eat better anywhere than at the D & G on Frederick or fried chicken from Galvin's. If you like a sandwich that's different, Maid Rite is good and for the best damn donuts anywhere, try Golden Glaze on Frederick.

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Old 02-26-2009, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Lee's Summit, MO
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you might stop and think that all the good jobs and decent employers left decades ago .

This is a very common refrain. I guess I'd have to ask what your view of "decent employers and good jobs" consists of.

When I lived there, there was no shortage of jobs, especially for those with college degrees.

Granted, there were a ton of really crappy jobs, but those are anywhere you go.

Are you talking about union jobs that pay 20 bucks an hour with a GED?
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Old 02-27-2009, 08:19 AM
 
Location: south Missouri
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This is a very common refrain. I guess I'd have to ask what your view of "decent employers and good jobs" consists of.

When I lived there, there was no shortage of jobs, especially for those with college degrees.

Granted, there were a ton of really crappy jobs, but those are anywhere you go.

Are you talking about union jobs that pay 20 bucks an hour with a GED?
I'm talking about St. Joe prior to about 1972, probably longer than you are familiar with or know about. I'm a native of St. Joe and still visit many relatives often.

St. Joe was built and boomed for decades on the packing houses and stockyards, the railroads, and other industries long gone, Douglas Candy Company for one but there are many others like WesTab (Western Tablet, later Meade Paper).

In their heyday, Swift's, Armours, and Dugdales hired a large percentage of the local population and paid good wages. So did the railroads.

Even the former State Hospital #2, while not considered a prime place to work like the others, hired many local people but what is left is not what there once was either.

I don't know what the snide comment "union jobs for 20 bucks an hour and a GED" is supposed to mean but I'm from a very pro-union family. My generation is college educated; our parents' generation for the most part were not but that was the status quo of the times.

Downtown St. Joseph used to be filled with busy stores, active shoppers, and more. All that changed around the time that they made downtown into a mall, closing down streets, etc. But in my childhood there were several big department stores (Townsends being the biggest), many ladies ready-to-wear stores, drug stores, restaurants, book stores, music stores, on and on.

More and more people in St. Joe - including and especially those with college degrees - are forced to make the commute to KC everyday for a job. Even some of those who don't have a degree do the same to work in manufacturing concerns like the Harley Davidson plant.

In the area of Missouri where I now live, $20 an hour jobs are non-existent even for college grads.
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Old 03-02-2009, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Lee's Summit, MO
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I'm talking about St. Joe prior to about 1972, probably longer than you are familiar with or know about. I'm a native of St. Joe and still visit many relatives often.

St. Joe was built and boomed for decades on the packing houses and stockyards, the railroads, and other industries long gone, Douglas Candy Company for one but there are many others like WesTab (Western Tablet, later Meade Paper).

In their heyday, Swift's, Armours, and Dugdales hired a large percentage of the local population and paid good wages. So did the railroads.

Even the former State Hospital #2, while not considered a prime place to work like the others, hired many local people but what is left is not what there once was either.

I don't know what the snide comment "union jobs for 20 bucks an hour and a GED" is supposed to mean but I'm from a very pro-union family. My generation is college educated; our parents' generation for the most part were not but that was the status quo of the times.

Downtown St. Joseph used to be filled with busy stores, active shoppers, and more. All that changed around the time that they made downtown into a mall, closing down streets, etc. But in my childhood there were several big department stores (Townsends being the biggest), many ladies ready-to-wear stores, drug stores, restaurants, book stores, music stores, on and on.

More and more people in St. Joe - including and especially those with college degrees - are forced to make the commute to KC everyday for a job. Even some of those who don't have a degree do the same to work in manufacturing concerns like the Harley Davidson plant.

In the area of Missouri where I now live, $20 an hour jobs are non-existent even for college grads.

If you are pro-union, we likely don't agree on many things, and no, I didn't think you were talking about 37 years ago.
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Old 03-02-2009, 07:02 PM
 
Location: CasaMo
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I don't know what the snide comment "union jobs for 20 bucks an hour and a GED" is supposed to mean but I'm from a very pro-union family. My generation is college educated; our parents' generation for the most part were not but that was the status quo of the times.
I think what mjb62676 was referring to were people who believe a job with a certain wage is some sort of entitlement owed to them regardless of their education, work ethic, employment record or skills (or lack thereof). And yes, I think that line of thinking is prevalent in St. Joe.
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Old 03-02-2009, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Lee's Summit, MO
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I think what mjb62676 was referring to were people who believe a job with a certain wage is some sort of entitlement owed to them regardless of their education, work ethic, employment record or skills (or lack thereof). And yes, I think that line of thinking is prevalent in St. Joe.

We have a winner.
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Old 03-08-2009, 07:38 PM
 
Location: south Missouri
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We have a winner.

News flash, folks, people think that everywhere. It's not unique to St. Joe by any means.
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Old 03-09-2009, 06:53 PM
 
Location: CasaMo
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News flash, folks, people think that everywhere. It's not unique to St. Joe by any means.
News Flash: That's just something people say to justify mediocrity.

Bye Bye now...
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