Sprint Nextell (Independence, Overland, Center: leasing, neighborhoods, purchase)

[luzianne]

Originally Posted by kcmo

Drive out there and check out the entire office buidlings and garages they have shuttered and are starting to sublease. Wow, you really do have a sheltered view of things don't you?

No, I don't. But you seem not to have any facts to back up your claims, since you won't post anything. If you can't back it up, then quit your bashing. You throw out numbers - where did you come across those numbers? I dare say I read a heck of a lot more than you do. I thought when you got to DC you'd quit trolling the Kansas City/Kansas forums.

[kcmo]

Apria Healthcare will move 200 employees to Sprint campus - Kansas City Business Journal:

The campus is down to 9500 people. Read the last sentence. I worked on the traffic study when the campus opened, it was close to 20k when it opened. Plus Sprint still had thousands of employees in other office buildings all over the region they couldn't even fit into the campus. Those have nearly all gone away as leases have come up.

Those numbers at the campus also include most of the spin-off Embarq company's employees which have moved back to the campus.

So actually the numbers are worse than even I thought they were. They had 22-24000 employees in the late 1990's early 2000's. So they are down A LOT.

So you STHU....

[kcmo]

What nothing? That's what I thought.

Hey, there are other stories you should read too.

Like the fact that B&N is pulling out of Town Center Plaza for new digs on 135th in the new Corbin Park Mall.

BTW, when and if that mall ever gets fully off the ground, you can say goodbye to Oak Park. Oak Park, and the area around it, will be in a nasty state of decline by 2012-2014. Mark this post. What will you guys blame that on? You blame other failing malls in KC on the fact that they are in Missouri. What about Oak Park? The demographics of the area around Oak Park are not real great.

Town Center and really much of the 119th retail corridor will not be too far behind. There are not enough people in JoCo to support a total duplication of retail on 135th, but they are going to do it anyway. Retailers like the demographics out south, tax breaks are being given out (corbin park etc) and have no problem moving and closing existing stores if JoCo and the cities of Leawood and OP keep letting them (or even pushing them) to open new stores out south.

So JoCo is starting to see the blight and sprawl problems that have not really been a problem there yet.

I’m telling you, a mall can go from being a successful mall to nearly vacant in matter of a few years. It’s going to happen to Oak Park very soon.

BTW, Independence Center may be in the same boat. The only things keeping that mall going will be it’s location (Oak Park is hidden from highways) and the fact that they are trying to build destination attractions nearby (bass pro, hockey arena etc). But it will still be difficult as more and more shopping centers open in Blue Springs and Lee’s Summit intercepting the mall’s most affluent customers.

That’s one difference between KC and DC. They are not overbuilt with retail to anywhere near the extent KC is.

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by kcmo

That’s one difference between KC and DC. They are not overbuilt with retail to anywhere near the extent KC is.

What about Tyson Corners in NOVA? I think that is one of the largest shopping complex and mixed use development in the country.

[Samantha S]

Originally Posted by kcmo

BTW, when and if that mall ever gets fully off the ground, you can say goodbye to Oak Park. Oak Park, and the area around it, will be in a nasty state of decline by 2012-2014. Mark this post. What will you guys blame that on? You blame other failing malls in KC on the fact that they are in Missouri. What about Oak Park? The demographics of the area around Oak Park are not real great.

Town Center and really much of the 119th retail corridor will not be too far behind. There are not enough people in JoCo to support a total duplication of retail on 135th, but they are going to do it anyway. Retailers like the demographics out south, tax breaks are being given out (corbin park etc) and have no problem moving and closing existing stores if JoCo and the cities of Leawood and OP keep letting them (or even pushing them) to open new stores out south.

So JoCo is starting to see the blight and sprawl problems that have not really been a problem there yet.

I’m telling you, a mall can go from being a successful mall to nearly vacant in matter of a few years. It’s going to happen to Oak Park very soon.

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[BostonToKC]

I don't want to get into this war between Samantha/Luzianne and KCMO, but I do agree with what KCMO is saying about Johnson County, especially his most recent post in this thread about new shopping centers cannibalizing old ones.

KCMO is using logic/facts to support his arguments and not emotional/childish dismissals (continuously calling him a "troll" is stupid, considering how knowledgeable he is about the KC area).

[northbound74]

I'm not going to be so naive as to say that Sprint will never go into bankruptcy. It very well could.
I doubt it would have much of a long term effect on JoCo, though. Short term would be rough on the whole area.
I've been with Sprint since before I moved here, and stayed on with them since partly because they're a local company that I've had good experience with personally. I'm an Apple guy, and would love an iphone, though. I like to support local businesses when I can. I like Williams taco seasoning, with Perez shells, and some Russell Stover for a snack. Every once in a while, I'll get some V's stuff from the grocery store. It will take a while before this Japanese car lover could buy a Ford or Chevy.

KCMO makes some great points on the dangers of overbuilding in Johnson County. Some parts of Johnson County are already showing signs of struggle. I don't want to see blight in any area, and smart growth can prevent it. Whether or not what JoCo is doing now is smart, remains to be seen. A lot of that kind of thing has worked historically for them, but the culture is changing, and people are looking for more from their neighborhoods.

[luzianne]

Originally Posted by BostonToKC

I don't want to get into this war between Samantha/Luzianne and KCMO, but I do agree with what KCMO is saying about Johnson County, especially his most recent post in this thread about new shopping centers cannibalizing old ones.

KCMO is using logic/facts to support his arguments and not emotional/childish dismissals (continuously calling him a "troll" is stupid, considering how knowledgeable he is about the KC area).

I don't think he is all that knowledgeable about the Kansas City area, other than he knows he hates Johnson County. I think it is childish to bash Johnson County and/or Kansas any time he gets a chance. He thrives on it. I'm not wasting any more time on him.

[kcmo]

I have not bashed JoCo one time in this thread. I don't even bash JoCo in most of my threads. I tell things how they are. I tell people how the county has grown, I tell people how the county interacts with the rest of the KC area etc. Things you don’t want to hear, but they are true.

The OP asked about Sprint.

I simply answered the question with facts that I know about sprint. It was not a bash on JoCo, Kansas or Sprint. I was simply stating that Sprint has already had problems that have effect the KC area.

Even though I do not agree with everything that Sprint has done. My beef with Sprint is that they could have done something besides that campus and they should have been more involved with the community than they were when they were a healthy company.

However, I would never wish that Sprint would go bankrupt or lay people off or any of that. I understand how important Sprint is to the metro area. I don't know what was read into my posts, but I simply stated that Sprint has had some serious problems already.

I was then called a liar and a troll. Talk about childish.

So, I back up my posts (which I do often) and then am ignored, which also tends to happen. If you can't find something in my posts to dispute, I'm ignored or told to stop bashing Kansas.

Funny thing is, I have NEVER called anybody a troll or a liar for the countless times I have read total BS about the MO side. Taxes are not lower in JoCo. The Schools are debatable etc.

So I chime in and tell people about Park Hill Schools, NKC Schools, Liberty Schools, Lee's Summit Schools etc. I tell people that there are wonderful areas urban KCMO to live. I don't start calling people trolls for telling newcomers to the area to stay away from the MO side do to high crime and bad schools. I simply prove it's not the case.

Retail...

Cannibalizing suburban retail is a metro wide problem. I touched on that a little with Indep Center. The Northland has the same problems. JoCo is no exception. Metcalf South is empty, the Great Mall has never been great and there are empty strip malls (new and old) all over the county.

DC has Tysons Corner. So what. I have seen almost no vacant retail space and I have been all over metro DC, Everywhere. Plus, I find it quite amazing that they have vibrant, fully leased developments similar to Zona Rosa in areas that are entirely African American. That is something that would NEVER happen in KC.

So yea, there is a difference. Land is just too valuable out here to walk away from one retail center and build a new one 5 miles away. It doesn’t happen. Everybody on 135th Street thinks they need their own retail so they don't have to drive ten minutes to 119th or 95th. Out here upscale retail won't follow rooftops till there is enough rooftops to support the existing retail PLUS the new retail.

Now, it's obvious that you two have no further questions about Sprint and it's quite obvious that you don't know much about KC, economic development etc.

So keep calling me trolls when you can't figure out any other way to dispute my points. It does no harm to me.

And finally. Good luck to Sprint. Like I said, it would suck if they failed.

What a great location for that Guantanamo Bay prison though. Any urban planner will tell you that

[luzianne]

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