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Old 12-10-2009, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Another interesting KCPT special about the begining of the border war. I wondered why I saw such hate on this board, and now I see it goes back so many years.

Bad Blood: The Border War that Triggered the Civil War
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Old 12-10-2009, 09:03 PM
 
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Another interesting KCPT special about the begining of the border war. I wondered why I saw such hate on this board, and now I see it goes back so many years.

Bad Blood: The Border War that Triggered the Civil War
I keep saying it, but so few people believe me, claiming it's a ridiculous notion. But it isn't.

People harboring resentment and distrust without valid cause is nothing at all new to human nature. Resentment and distrust is also quite easily contagious. More so than most people realize.

Besides,
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Bad Blood was shot with the help of the Shoal Creek Association in Kansas City, Missouri, the Missouri Department of Conservation and Missouri Town-1855 in Jackson County.
it's probably biased against Kansas!
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Old 12-10-2009, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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lol, no. it leaned toward the Kansas perspective in being a free state. I think Shoal Creek and Missouri town were used to shoot alot of the footage. If you havne't been they both show towns around the area as it would look in the 1800's.

Shoal Creek Living History Museum

Jackson County - Missouri Town 1855
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Old 12-11-2009, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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You dont know this? I thought this was a well known fact for anyone living in Kansas City.

KCPT plays that documentary all the time. It was made years ago.
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Old 12-11-2009, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Kansas City North
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A great movie about the Border War is Ang Lee's "Ride with the Devil" which will be shown on AMC this Saturday at 1:45 CST.
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Old 12-11-2009, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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I still say it has more to do with KS people simply being pricks to me. I had nothing what so ever against KS till I found out that KS people look down on MO people like second class citizens. Does it trace back to all the historic crap? Maybe, I don't really know. But I do know that I treated people from KS with the same respect that I did people from MO at one time. Now, that's not always the case. Obviously...
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Old 12-11-2009, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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I still say it has more to do with KS people simply being pricks to me. I had nothing what so ever against KS till I found out that KS people look down on MO people like second class citizens.
Way to generalize a whole state full of people. I suppose that all black people like watermelon, all white people listen to country music, and all asian people eat rice.

I am from Missouri and live in Missouri but work in Kansas. So, I work with a bunch of people from Kansas, eat at Kansas restaurants, get gas at Kansas gas stations, and I even married a girl from Kansas! Guess what? I get treated no differently because I have a Missouri license plate.
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Old 12-11-2009, 12:57 PM
 
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Being a college basketball fan and a resident of neither state, I chuckled at a story told during a Missouri-Kansas basketball game.

They stated when Norm Stewart was coaching Missouri he told the bus driver they would get fuel and food before they crossed into Kansas cuz he was going to make sure his team didn't spend any money in Kansas.

I thought that was quite interesting and added to the MO-KS rivalry in sports.
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Old 12-11-2009, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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Just my experience man. Sorry. Glad you have a totally difference experience and I'm not going to call you a liar because it's not the same thing I have experienced.

I know one thing for sure. It has nothing to do with the civil war or KU/MU and I think that's the part of the problem. You see, I didn't grow up hating KS or KU. I didn't care about neither one. I didn't' grow up a MU fan so I had no reason and no excuse to rag on Kansas.

I simply never thought about the state other than it being a part of the metro on the other side of state line. That's it.

So maybe if I had already decided I didn't like Kansas before ever even visiting the area (like many MO side people do), I would expect to be treated more like an enemy than a neighbor.

Now, my kids have grown up to dislike Kansas for all the "normal" reasons. They like MU, so they don't like Kansas etc, mostly thanks to my wife, who is very much an MU fan.

My reasons for not liking Kansas have much more to do with dozens of personal experiences and my reasons are also more tied to respect issues than stupid college sports.

I don't give a crap about MU or KU. Never have and never will. What I do care about is my hometown of KCMO. I have a lot of passion for the city I grew up in and the city I was recently forced to leave.

It's the years of insults and general dis-respect of my city and my state by Kansans that has left a bad taste in my mouth. You then combine that with many other issues that I am interested in and issues that I follow such as economic development you can quickly find many reasons to resent or by annoyed how kansans, and the kansas side in general, interacts with the metropolitan area.

It is what it is. My experience is that the KS side totally disrespects the MO side in general unless it's time to go to a Chiefs game or show the of towners the plaza or something. Is it all Kansans? No. Does this even bother most people? Nope. Most people wouldn't even notice the things that I would notice. and most Kansans wouldn't even know they did it unless I pointed it out to them. It's everything from telling a new person to the metro the MO side is full of crime and bad schools to the decades of developing almost entirely at the expense of kcmo and yet they can't even come up with 1/8 of a cent to help out with the stadiums or transit.

It's not an individual thing. Not at all. My best friends do it and I call them out for it. They will make fun of KCMO for building the sprint center yet be first in line for a concert. They love to talk about how bad the snow plowing is in MO even though they rarely drive there in the snow. They think he Northland is a bunch of hillbilly areas with an airport while village west is some sophistacated national tourist attraction. They think I don't like Kansas because I'm jealous of the area and wish I could live there.

They are typical Kansans.

There are few people that are as involved in KC area issues as I was. I pushed for the P&L District, I went door to door with Barnes to get the sprint center vote passed, I was at the bus stops trying to get people to vote for light rail, I was heavily involved in getting union station and liberty memorial restored.

What I'm saying is that when you insult KCMO, you insult me and I (my city) have just been insulted one too many times by Kansas side residents. Plenty of MO residents do it to, but it's a tiny fraction of the percentage of people.

I don't expect any of you to understand where I'm coming from. But I have been defending KCMO for decades and 95% of the people I have to defend KCMO against are from the Kansas side of the same freaking metro area. That is something that I will simply never comprehend.
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Old 12-11-2009, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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I don't give a crap about MU or KU. Never have and never will. What I do care about is my hometown of KCMO. I have a lot of passion for the city I grew up in and the city I was recently forced to leave.

KU vs. MU doesnt have anything to do with the states IMO. It is University of Kansas vs. University of Missouri. It is not Kansas vs. Missouri. When people make an argument I simply point out that KU is half the distance from KC that Columbia is.

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It's not an individual thing. Not at all. My best friends do it and I call them out for it. They will make fun of KCMO for building the sprint center yet be first in line for a concert. They love to talk about how bad the snow plowing is in MO even though they rarely drive there in the snow. They think he Northland is a bunch of hillbilly areas with an airport while village west is some sophistacated national tourist attraction. They think I don't like Kansas because I'm jealous of the area and wish I could live there.

They are typical Kansans.
No, I just think you need to choose the people you associate with better. Some of my best friends live in JoCo and nothing like that has ever come out of there mouths. They come over to KCMO all the time and enjoy it and respect it. They even come to my home in the Northland without bitching about it. The same thing with the dozens of JoCo residents that I work with. I have never heard a single one of them bash KCMO.
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