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Old 05-25-2010, 12:45 PM
 
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I dont think you should be able to convict someone of murder without a body unless you have video of them actually committing the act. This is doubtful but there is always the possibility that she took off.
Are you kidding? I can think of a million scenarios where circumstantial evidence could prove beyond reasonable doubt that a murder took place and that the accused was the perpetrator.
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Old 05-25-2010, 03:08 PM
 
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I think they can get DNA from ashes though. I'm not completely sure.
An exactly how could you isolate those specific ashes after a year and a half and lots and lots of incinerated parts since the murder happened? I'm sure the ashes are disposed of periodically too.
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Old 05-25-2010, 04:53 PM
 
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Groan.....I give up.

How about them Royals?
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Old 05-26-2010, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Are you kidding? I can think of a million scenarios where circumstantial evidence could prove beyond reasonable doubt that a murder took place and that the accused was the perpetrator.
I am one of those people where the only way you could prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt that someone did something is if I saw them do it.

A prosecutor would never want me as a juror because unless I saw someone do something, I would always have reasonable doubt that they actually did it.

Unless there is a body, there is no way anyone can 100% know that someone was murdered unless there is video of it taking place.
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Old 05-26-2010, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Prairie Village, KS
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I am one of those people where the only way you could prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt that someone did something is if I saw them do it.

A prosecutor would never want me as a juror because unless I saw someone do something, I would always have reasonable doubt that they actually did it.

Unless there is a body, there is no way anyone can 100% know that someone was murdered unless there is video of it taking place.
You were on the OJ jury, weren't you.
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Old 05-26-2010, 11:27 AM
 
Location: CasaMo
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You were on the OJ jury, weren't you.
I think what Robb is saying is determining guilt or non-guilt is a serious matter. Any responsible juror would feel the same.
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Old 05-26-2010, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Prairie Village, KS
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I understand, but "beyond a reasonable doubt" does not mean "100% certainty" and was never meant to. I think every juror needs to take their responsibilities seriously and examine the evidence, but if we had "100% certainty" as our threshold, we would never convict anyone.
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Old 05-26-2010, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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I understand, but "beyond a reasonable doubt" does not mean "100% certainty" and was never meant to. I think every juror needs to take their responsibilities seriously and examine the evidence, but if we had "100% certainty" as our threshold, we would never convict anyone.

To me, anything less than 100% certainty is reasonable doubt. Any doubt is reasonable doubt in my book.

The term reasonable doubt is open to interpretation.

It is better that a guilty man go free than an innocent man go to prison.
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Old 05-26-2010, 05:13 PM
 
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To me, anything less than 100% certainty is reasonable doubt. Any doubt is reasonable doubt in my book.

The term reasonable doubt is open to interpretation.

It is better that a guilty man go free than an innocent man go to prison.
So when your daughter has been in a volatile relationship with a guy for months, has unexplained bruises on several occasions and one day her car is found abandoned with her blood at the scene and when they search her boyfriend's home, they find one of his shirts and a pair of his pants soaked with her blood stuffed in the trash bin. But they never find her body. And nobody actually saw him do it.

You gonna let him walk?

Jus' checkin'
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Old 05-27-2010, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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So when your daughter has been in a volatile relationship with a guy for months, has unexplained bruises on several occasions
See those words in bold? That will never happen. After one bruise, he has already had a meeting with my 9 millimeter and will never be seen again.

My cousin was murdered by her abusive boyfriend 4 years ago; I learned my lesson. No women that is either my family or my friend will ever be in that kind of relationship again.

If it did happen, the police will not be involved and there would be no trial.
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