What the hell is up with all the stopping on I-70 from Denver? (Salina: rental car, transporting)
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Hey, I'm pro-personal freedoms and liberties with the best of them. I'm a card-carrying liberal.
But let's say that you robbed a bank and then went and bought a new car with the money you stole. Do you think that you should get to keep the car? Should you get to keep the $10k in cash that is now in your pocket after the robbery? When we haul you to jail, should your wife be allowed to come and pick up your cash and the car and keep it?
I think not.
People make BIG money dealing drugs. The crap that they buy with it is on par with stealing it. I have no problem with confiscating valuable items bought with drug money. They are "ill-gotten gains" and do not rightfully belong to the criminal.
Who should they belong to? Well, we can't return them the way money could be returned to the bank. So what do we do? Selling them and allowing the proceeds to further benefit the pursuit of the criminals seems reasonable to me.
Now, there should absolutely be a straight-forward way for an innocent person to recover money or items that were taken by mistake. (Here, let me put that in bold.) There was potential for abuse and I'm sure there were mistakes made that cost some innocent people their stuff. This is why the laws are now being revisited and reformed.
We absolutely have to be careful how these laws are implemented. (I'll put that in bold too.) But I have no problem with the theory and spirit of the law itself.
I strongly disagree with you, Samantha. Nothing should be seized without due process and proof in a court of law. We are innocent until proven guilty in this country....or at least that was the way it was supposed to be be....and should be. The innocent person should never have to recover money in a straight forward way because it should never be seized based on assumption in the first place.
This points to the sad and cruel truth about the drug war. It has accomplished nothing but to incite more violent crime and to attack and destroy the civil liberties of everyday Americans unmercifully in their every walk of life. It is ugly....it is unamerican....it is wrong.
I strongly disagree with you, Samantha. Nothing should be seized without due process and proof in a court of law. We are innocent until proven guilty in this country....or at least that was the way it was supposed to be be....and should be. The innocent person should never have to recover money in a straight forward way because it should never be seized based on assumption in the first place.
This points to the sad and cruel truth about the drug war. It has accomplished nothing but to incite more violent crime and to attack and destroy the civil liberties of everyday Americans unmercifully in their every walk of life. It is ugly....it is unamerican....it is wrong.
I hear you ... I just think you are overreacting to some media hype.
So what should be done then in a case where police pull someone over and suspect them strongly enough of drug-related activity that they arrest them?
Leave all the evidence of their crime behind?
If you are arrested on suspicion of drug dealing and they confiscate your stuff, then you are either not formally charged or found innocent, you should get your stuff back. No question about that.
Suspicion alone should not result in a forfeiture of property. I'm totally with you on that. I am sure this has happened and it is a travesty of justice and should not be allowed to happen. Laws should be reformed to safeguard against that.
But I do think it's reasonable for evidence to be impounded when someone is arrested ... on whatever the charge.
If a bank is robbed, you fit the description of the robber and you have $10k in cash in your pocket. I think it's reasonable that you be arrested or at least taken in for questioning and that the money be impounded temporarily. If you're not the guy, you should get your money back. But it's reasonable for them to hold it as evidence in a case of reasonable suspicion.
I don't believe that simply carrying a large sum of cash will get you arrested and your money seized. I'm willing to admit to being wrong about that, but I challenge someone to find a case where there was not something additional to the story that was conveniently left out. Such as: Loitering on a corner in an area known to be frequented by drug dealers. Or: Also having drugs on your person. Or: Seen talking to people who have a record of drug dealing. Or: Having a criminal record yourself ... possibly drug related.
I totally agree with you Samantha. It's a simple concept. Respect the laws that you EXPECT to be there to protect us when we need them. You wanna smoke weed? Fine. Dont get caught. You wanna sell it? Prepare to face the concequences if you get caught. See, America has freedom AND options. In some countires, dont they like, only cut your hands off?
And, that media garbage is just that. Junk. They only stir nonsense up, oh only about 90% of the time. Get rid of cable, it's worse for you than drugs.
Do you have CA plates, look Mexican, or even worse... both? There is a massive amount of drug traffic along that route. They are looking for drugs.
I live off I-70 just west of Grand Junction, Colorado. Beckett is right, the amount of drugs trucked through there is massive. I've seen doors from custom vans taken apart. Semis pulled off at the side of the road. It happens a lot on I-70 and they're coming on from I-15 from L.A.
This is very troubling. I'd like to see that 60 minutes piece, but for some unknown reason I cannot play CBS News video on my PC.
That piece was on 60 Minutes a long time ago, back when I still watched 60 Minutes, and I haven't for a long time.
IIRC, the particulars were a black man at an airport with large sum of money on him. He was totally clean, but had one hell of a time getting his money back. It seems like, at the time of airing, he hadn't gotten it back yet.
We've come a long way when the mere possession of cash labels you as a criminal. Go deposit $10,001 cash at your bank....your name is sent to the Feds, that day.
All in the name of the War on Drugs. Isn't it great that we've all but wiped out drug usage in this country by giving up just a few freedoms?
C'mon guys. It's been awhile since I've been in Kansas but I got my first ticket there. At age nine on a bike
What I want to know is if that highway is a "cherry alley" as the cops would say, or if the local revenue producers know that you're not going to come back from Missouri and fight something marginal.
I live off I-70 just west of Grand Junction, Colorado. Beckett is right, the amount of drugs trucked through there is massive. I've seen doors from custom vans taken apart. Semis pulled off at the side of the road. It happens a lot on I-70 and they're coming on from I-15 from L.A.
The same thing happens while driving on I-80 through Nebraska. Troopers pull over out of state cars for petty things like, following too closely.
All kinds of drug stops there. This one only netted 727 lbs. and that's a big pile in the courtroom. Detroit woman gets 2-4 years for role in moving 727 pounds of pot
Do you have CA plates, look Mexican, or even worse... both? There is a massive amount of drug traffic along that route. They are looking for drugs.
Bingo!
Also, what is the problem of being stopped by an Officer?
We ought to be grateful they are stopping people. If they stopped me I'd be happy to oblige.
Lay off of the ones who are here to serve & protect. They have a job to do so get out of their way and let 'em do it.
You may want to stop doing things (like modifying your car) that attracts attention.
Oh, I know you have every right to modify it but all I'm saying is to ask yourself, "Is it wise?"
There's my 2 cents
Feds seeking to seize Missouri farm over drug use - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/11/13/2428298/feds-seeking-to-seize-missouri.html - broken link)
Feds seeking to seize Missouri farm over drug use - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/11/13/2428298/feds-seeking-to-seize-missouri.html - broken link)
I don't even recognize this country any more....
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