No casino for Wichita (Kansas City, Frontenac: schools, live in, moving)

[Mathguy]

The seething anti-christian posts are really sad people.

You may have an issue with the fundamentalists but you sound as bad as some klansman talking about how he read about a black guy committing a crime in the newspaper and then railing about how all blacks are bad blah blah blah.

I was raised christian consider myself a christian\agnostic type and I know MANY christians that would never push their religion on you, that volunteer all the time to help at food banks, that take people in to give them a fresh start....wow, you need to ease off the broad brush attacks.

Haven't you ever been upset to be painted as a certain "type"? Don't let the small minded hate of a few make YOU one of THEM.

[louis-sypher]

The only reason people rail against the church is because they do not sit in their homes and churches and preach an idea, they band togeather and try to force you to live by their values, do you remember the "21 reasons to vote no on casino" pamplet that the nuts handed out at factory entrances and street corners? Now thay want to get rid of liquor sales on sunday?
They would do better to try to keep out child molesters form the preisthood, but that seems to be a low priority for them.
The bible is a book of myth tought as fact, you can see just by reading the first two chapters in of the first book, where adam was created with eve, then the next chapter adam was created then he was lonly and god made eve from his rib. which is it? women are treated very badly in the bible. peter says "let not a woman among teach you, if a woman wants to learn let her go to her husband and learn from him"
Kansas is a state that will not fair well in the hard times we are about to go through.
We are lead by president that "talks to god" for advise and guidance, How's that working for you bush?
Not to well I see.
Religion is a drain on society, it uses resources and time that could be much better spent on helping people instead of fleecing them.
Sheep to the slaughter.

[Mathguy]

1) Go down to the local soup kitchen, homeless shelter, non-profit nursing home and check out the people volunteering there....doing good works...then report back as to how many of them were religious people.

2) People have a right to free speech no matter how stupid, nor for whatever motivation. Your desire to restrict the free speech of those you disagree with is alarming.

3) It takes an awful lot of faith to deny the existance of something that if essentially faith. Your faith is just different that others.

4) Your logic about Christians, use the ones that are perverts,hypocrites and zealots to paint the entire group is about as honest as Fred Phelps portrayal of gays. It takes a really small, closed mind to be such a racist or anti-religionist like pointing out that most murderers are atheists and using it as proof that atheists are "bad".

P.S. Some of my best friends are Wiccans, Atheists and even a stanch Catholic or two. You sir, give atheists a bad name...they are often much more intelligent and thoughtful in their views. You are basically a wild-eyed fanatic preaching your own (non) religion.

[oldhippieguy]

It does not take faith to deny the existance of god, just a reasoning mind.
No one can prove that god exists at all.
You can use the old "arguement by design" but that proves nothing, even if you jump the flaws with it and say there is inteligent design,design by who? the jewish god? aliens? baal? not a good argument, I hear many say look at the eye how can you deny that it was not designed? Well fist off the human eye is much less of a quality design than a squids eye, so just fromt he eye you have to say one of three things,
1] god is inept and not deserving of our worship
2] God does not exist and we evolved
3]God likes squids more than humans.
Faith means to believe with no proof. if you want to do this, I can not argue with you on any level, but if you want facts, then you will loose every time. Not because I am a master of argument, but because you have a bad and weak argument that all the facts are against.
So when people try to shove thier morality on others who do not share their view it is at best anoying to us who do not believe in a big somebody up in the air who hears our prayrs, helps some and not others. lets some live well while others are tortured, lets some get fat, and others starve. Just like in war, god is always on the winning side, problem is he keeps changing sides.

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by oldhippieguy

It does not take faith to deny the existance of god, just a reasoning mind.
No one can prove that god exists at all.
You can use the old "arguement by design" but that proves nothing, even if you jump the flaws with it and say there is inteligent design,design by who? the jewish god? aliens? baal? not a good argument, I hear many say look at the eye how can you deny that it was not designed? Well fist off the human eye is much less of a quality design than a squids eye, so just fromt he eye you have to say one of three things,
1] god is inept and not deserving of our worship
2] God does not exist and we evolved
3]God likes squids more than humans.
Faith means to believe with no proof. if you want to do this, I can not argue with you on any level, but if you want facts, then you will loose every time. Not because I am a master of argument, but because you have a bad and weak argument that all the facts are against.
So when people try to shove thier morality on others who do not share their view it is at best anoying to us who do not believe in a big somebody up in the air who hears our prayrs, helps some and not others. lets some live well while others are tortured, lets some get fat, and others starve. Just like in war, god is always on the winning side, problem is he keeps changing sides.

Perhaps god is just a being that created things and doesn't give a crap about us at all? You are creating a strawman argument as to *what* god is.
Frankly, he could even be a concept or even just a personification of the way the universe works. I sure as heck don't know and can't prove anything.

It's all rather moot anyway, you believe what you want...I will believe what I want. <shrug> If you want though, explain to me how there is no *god*, this out to be entertaining if nothing else. What have I to "loose"?

My main point is that some of the posters here sound EXACTLY like a racist neighbor I once had....except insert Christians for your minority group of choice. You have dodged this little point....care to address how it's ok to hate a group of oh...a couple hundred million people because you had the misfortune of running into a pack of Kansas "fundies". (Clue in buddy, most people can't stand these folks).

Oh well, I've got to go talk to my gay atheist neighbor about some gardening stuff....all atheists are gay....didn't you know that?

[oldhippieguy]

[SIZE=2]Well first of all you can not equate real people with a myth, If you insult people who exist such as blacks or Asians, ect. you are attacking something that is real.
When you attack a god, you are attacking a myth,something not tangible or real.
You can not prove that god does not exist, but there is no evidence that he does. I can not prove that there is not a race of little 3 foot high purple people with 5 eyes on Saturn, but there is no evidence for it either.
Many will say but the bible has been proven on several archeological points, this may be true, but just because humor wrote a book about troy and it was found to have existed, does one jump over the canyon and say that medusa existed with snakes for hair turning people to stone?
The old testament was a religion that was based on much older systems of belief, such as zoarastrisim, Egyptian and more.
The bible as a whole has things in it that are very disturbing such as children being sacrificed for god or asked to be sacrificed. whole groups of people being killed off in genocide, Men women children, even the unborn that the fundies think is a crime today.
Jesus even curses a fig tree in the new test, because it did not have a fig for him to eat when he wanted, How godly.
The bible is so full of flaws and contradictions that religion has to give it to the rank and file piece meal so as not to run off the people who they want to fleece.
When you really read this book you want to yell at people who carry it have you read this book?[/SIZE]

[oldhippieguy]

So are you using gay as trying to say I am atheist so I am gay and that is an insult?
If that makes you feel superior fine, I am not gay and I find nothing wrong with being gay. No more than someone who likes certain race for a partner. What ever trips your trigger. Remember it is the christians that are against every one not like them. I think it was ted nugent this last week swinging his M16 telling hillary to "suck on this" and he says he is a big right wing christian, and the right like hannity supports him.

[GraniteStater]

Let's get back to the originial discussion regarding the "no" vote for the casino in Wichita. Leave the religion discussion for the religion section of the forum please.

[Mathguy]

We are discussing the causes for the no vote.
I just don't think it's fair to broadly stereotype an enormous group because a group of fundamentalists opposed the casino vote.

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by oldhippieguy

So are you using gay as trying to say I am atheist so I am gay and that is an insult?

I'm just making a sweeping stereotype like you did...except I added a wink and smile hoping you would get the point.

I was hoping you'd be more tolerant of others after running into intolerance.

"We are least tolerant of the sins we commit." - Author unknown

On that note, I've said my peace.