Reasons for not moving to Ft. Scott (home, rent)

[ISO Truth]

Silverhaired,

I really, truly respect your last post and I certainly understand your alliegance to family. I do hope you understand that just because a citizen may complain about your brother's performance in his official capacity does not necessarily make a personal attack on him, or his family.

I do not know Mr. Nienstedt on a personal basis, and I have no reason to deny that he may very well be a fine and upstanding individual and make a great brother, father, uncle or whatever. I do however have an opinion on his official conduct and job performance, and on that we obviously disagree, for reasons which we can perhaps discuss here in the future.

I am confused somewhat about your reference to seeing vehicles from other areas while in Oklahoma, and what my post to you had to do with that. I don't think that makes you a crook, it only makes you observant. I'm observant too, and I believe your making that comment, and some others just confirmed to me at least one of the other identities that you use when posting on other boards, because if you look at my posts here, I never referenced anything about seeing car tags or "sand-dunes", or the use of quad-bikes for recreation.

It's just a hunch, but I think I can name at least 4 other identities that you have used when posting on various forums about Fort Scott. It doesn't matter though, it's just that I don't want to "waste my typing" either.

So in an effort not to "waste our typing" I will just straight out ask you a question to get us started on a "lively conversation"...

Here is my question...

"In your opinion was the Grand Jury investigation in Fort Scott justified?"

(Regardless of your answer please elaborate...)

[silverhaired51]

You will have to excuse me, when someone mentions OK. to me, or I see, I just jump on it, due to the fact that riding the sand dunes to me is the one of the best vacations that I can take. I do get carried away when I start talking about OK. just habit, one that I love alot. So, please excuse me that way, and with mentioning tags, I have noticed in all the years that we go down, I see a few from Bouboun county, Crawford county. from all over the state. But as to using other names, if I protest to much on it, even though I am telling the truth, it would not be believed.

As for your question, out of respect for my brother, and that he would do no wrong doing, because of how we all were raised to be honest, and to do our best and always learn from life. Here is what I think, if people or persons are doing something or committing a crime, I feel that it could have been handled differently, as to that why was the insurance commissioner not called to investagate? Or, from what I have read on the grant, why not the state office that takes care of the grants called in? Having a grand jury (to me anyway) investagate Ft. Scott was overkill. I really do believe that had the right state departments been called into investagate I think people would have understood it better, I am one that does not understand it, it affects everyone that is involved in it. I will not go into how our family took it. Did it achieve what it was called to do? If the people are gulity of a crime, which remember everyone is innocent till proven gulity, then yes it did, but if it was meant to and this is the only word that comes to mind, if it was to destory peoples lives, then no it was uncalled for.

No one knows what the total outcome is going to be, is that fair as to all the people that it did affect, no it is not. I am not that good at explaining things in a clear way, so please forgive me, if you have to read it a thousand times over before you do understand it.

So, now I will ask a question, do you feel that the grand jury was justified?

[ISO Truth]

I feel that it could have been handled differently, as to that why was the insurance commissioner not called to investagate?

The insurance company was already investigating before the GJ was impaneled and turned over their complaint to have the GJ review the evidence. Nothing involving the Insurance allegations were contained in the GJ Petition, however as in all GJ petitions, it asked the GJ to investigate any other violations of the Law that may come before them.

Or, from what I have read on the grant, why not the state office that takes care of the grants called in?

They were contacted. Also the City Commission was approached about the grant before the GJ was started. They would not let the Citizens present all of their facts.

if it was meant to and this is the only word that comes to mind, if it was to destory peoples lives, then no it was uncalled for.

The Grand Juries purpose was not to destroy peoples lives, nor was it to determine GUILT. The GJ's purpose was to investigate allegations and determmine, impartially, whether enough evidence existed to determine probable cause that a crime had been commited. Then, and only then, would indictments be issued for the allegations to go on to trial infront of another jury. THAT JURY would determine whether the evidence brought them to a determination of guilt.

So YES, I do feel the Bourbon County Grand Jury was not only justified, but also the fairest way for the Citizens to make a decision as to the evidence, and not leave it in the hands of a governmental agency or bureaucracy to protect themselves.

Let's remember, the Grand Jury returned 12 incdictments, based on 12 allegations that they reviewed. This is a situation where the people utilized the available tools and laws to establish checks and balances of our Government. Had this been simply an "Inquisition" as the Ottawa Mayor stated, the GJ would have dismissed it all as just that.

[silverhaired51]

As for what the Ottawa mayor said, and maybe I am gullible but I read the newspaper story and also the story where the mayor said that at no time did he say that it was a "inquisition" I believe them, and no it is not because of Richard going there. Until it is proven otherwise.

I am the first one to say that I do not understand everything where the law is in involved pretaining to the grand jury investigation. Before all of this, I did not the grand jury could investigate other laws that may of be broken.

Yes, they did return 12 in total, but what were the other ones, or are there no merits to what they are?

As for lives being destory, all I can tell is how this family felt. No one has ever been involved in something like this, it gave us sleepless nights, worried about it every day, and it was not because of any gulit it was because we knew that in no way would anyone in our family would do anything that could cause a investigation by a grand jury. Yes, you can say that we have hard feelings about this, but who wouldn't? I understand that grand juries are needed, to find the truth and to find out what isn't true. If someone does wrong or commits a crime they should do the right thing and step up and admit it. And, as the saying goes "do the time" or "pay the fine".

[ISO Truth]

I read the articles too. It wasn't the Mayor of Ottawa who denied making the statements, it was the City Attorney there.

I find it amusing that since you felt the Mayor there said he didn't say it, you'll believe it, yet when it comes to the indictments "having no merit" you seem to want to believe that someone at least did say that.

Anyway, no one except the GJ, their Attorney, the Judge and the State AG's office know who and what the remaining indictments are about. It seems to me ridiculous that any one person or agency would be able to reject what a panel of jurors concluded, especially since while empaneled they had the opportunity to seek the advice of the judge and prosecutor on the ability to present the true bills.

I just find it insulting to the Grand Jury system and those involved for anyone to accuse certain "players" or individuals in the community to have "steered the outcome" of the whole thing. That would have been impossible. It makes me wonder what evidence are those who are making those statements saying this group of "players" contrived and why? I think it is just an effort to dismiss it as such instead of facing the reality that the citizens who organized this effort knew what they were talking about.

[silverhaired51]

I stand corrected on who made the statement as to the city of Ottawa. Forgive me, I was working on work items and typing at the same time.

I don't think reject what a panel of jurors had concluded, more as to with everyone that was involved in was disbelif. At least that is how I felt. I will admit that I did read what the people were saying on the fourm that is there in Ft. Scott, and the impression that I got, was that it was what part of the people wanted, and the part didn't think it was right. I could be wrong by my thoughts of it. And, before you say or think, no I never was on the forum, I just was reading it.

Yes, I know that no one certain person or group of people could do anything as to what the outcome of the grand jury was. I am sure that the group that organized this and got the petition signed, do know what they were talking about. I do wonder just how far back all this went to, if it was just from the time of the fire in Ft. Scott, or does it go back over a few years?

These are questions that I have, and would like to know the answers too, and so far we have had good honest replies with each other, and I hope that you can answers these, as you seem to be a smart person.

I hope that you enjoyed the holiday. Summer went to fast this year.

[Paddy O'Gringo]

This entire thread is a sham that some vindictive person has used to besmirch the good name of a town that certainly does not deserve it.

Silverhaired 51, as far as I am concerned ISO Truth has been entirely too forgiving and too much the gentleman, YOU MOST CERTAINLY DO NOT DESERVE IT AFTER YOUR ACTIONS HERE.

Rest assured I will be bringing this entire libelous sham to the attention of the propietors of this site in the hopes that it will be removed in it's entirety and you banned permanently.

To the citizens of Fort Scott, you in no way whatsoever deserve this despicable attack.

[Paddy O'Gringo]

Originally Posted by Versatile

Please tell us what the dogfight was all about. Inquiring minds want to know!

Sadly some people alledgedly profited from a tragedy

Kuplen's Restaurant was across the street from the fire. During the fire and after, I saw no visible damage to his building.

[silverhaired51]

Let me say that it was not ME that did the posting. I can assure you that it was someone else, as I do have a bad habit of staying logged in all the time, and do have this bookmarked, it is easy to get to.

You do what you feel you have too. I defended myself to ISO Truth, and he has accepted it. I do not have bad feelings towards the city of Ft. Scott, if you have read the last few post from where I said that yes we have hard feelings, but it is not towards the city itself.

And when people do make mistakes, and they honestly say excuse me it was not me, then if the person is big enough they give them another chance. I am not a bad person, I am a sister that will protect, defend, and do what ever it takes when it comes to my family.

I enjoy this site, it has had some good information on it. But, if you feel that I should be banned, for something that was not in my control, then by all means go ahead as I said do it. But, as I said you read the last few post and you will know that they are ones that I wrote, and the others are not.

If, in fact you can get me banned, I will follow the rules for it, and I will not come back on here, but I do hope that it does not come down to that, as this is a great forum.

In closing all I can say is that IT WAS NOT ME, THAT WROTE THE EARLIER POSTS.

[Paddy O'Gringo]

Originally Posted by silverhaired51

Let me say that it was not ME that did the posting. I can assure you that it was someone else, as I do have a bad habit of staying logged in all the time, and do have this bookmarked, it is easy to get to.

You do what you feel you have too. I defended myself to ISO Truth, and he has accepted it. I do not have bad feelings towards the city of Ft. Scott, if you have read the last few post from where I said that yes we have hard feelings, but it is not towards the city itself.

And when people do make mistakes, and they honestly say excuse me it was not me, then if the person is big enough they give them another chance. I am not a bad person, I am a sister that will protect, defend, and do what ever it takes when it comes to my family.

I enjoy this site, it has had some good information on it. But, if you feel that I should be banned, for something that was not in my control, then by all means go ahead as I said do it. But, as I said you read the last few post and you will know that they are ones that I wrote, and the others are not.

If, in fact you can get me banned, I will follow the rules for it, and I will not come back on here, but I do hope that it does not come down to that, as this is a great forum.

In closing all I can say is that IT WAS NOT ME, THAT WROTE THE EARLIER POSTS.

I am sure the site legal team will be very interested in that, I am not. They have been notified.

You started the thread libeling Fort Scott and that is enough for me.