Kansas' self esteem problem (Overland Park, Kansas City: restaurants, stores, to move)
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Originally Posted by CArizona
GraniteSlater..Do you ever miss living in Kansas? I miss being in Kansas right now. Hope to move to Western Kansas (near relatives) before too long if all goes well...My Dad left Kansas and moved to So CA as a young man. He went to work in LA packing houses. Before long he met and married my Mom and created a new life for himself in CA. But Kansas lived on inside of him. On weekends my parents took me on rides out in the country so I could see food growing and farm animals and have some connection with nature...This probably made me a little different from my friends in So CA. I didn't want to see every inch and square of land "developed" in CA. I wanted to leave some land "untouched" for future generations to enjoy. I don't like to live in side-by-side cities with asphalt and concrete and stucco as far as the eye can see with no "break" or "breathers" in-between...Where do you live now? I live in the desert with space between cities but there is very little community spirit around here.
Yes, I do occasionally miss living in Lawrence and eastern JOCO, but I have moved on to other places that offer more of what I'm looking for. Everyone has their own personal preferences when it comes to that matter.
Tennessee isn't bad if you live in the nicer parts of its metros- preferably Nashville. It's the rural areas that really give the state a bad reputation. Places like La Folette, Newport, Sneedville, etc.
California isn't bad if you live in the nicer parts of its metros- preferably the City of San Francisco or West LA. It's the more rural areas that really give the state a bad reputation. Places like Bakersfield, Fresno, Modesto, San Bernardino, Riverside etc.
Santorum won the Kansas caucuses. That tells me all I need to know about the current state of politics there. It has been revealed that Santorum does not believe in the separation of church and state either. Brownback and Santorum are both molded out of the same big government social conservative platform.
Another quote I found:
"In Santorum's 2005 book, "It Takes a Family" he famously came out against women working outside of the home. He wrote, "It provides a convenient rationalization for pursuing a gratifying career outside the home." Yes, he blamed radical feminism. And he quickly lost his senate seat by 17 points."
I died a little inside when I heard he won. I was really hoping any other Republican candidate would win. Anyone. A loaf of bread even. Needless to say, it wasn't one of my proudest moment as a Kansan. I'm a little tired of the entire political games altogether. Part of me would like to fast-forward to November and get this all over with.
Santorum won the Kansas caucuses. That tells me all I need to know about the current state of politics there. It has been revealed that Santorum does not believe in the separation of church and state either. Brownback and Santorum are both molded out of the same big government social conservative platform.
Another quote I found:
"In Santorum's 2005 book, "It Takes a Family" he famously came out against women working outside of the home. He wrote, "It provides a convenient rationalization for pursuing a gratifying career outside the home." Yes, he blamed radical feminism. And he quickly lost his senate seat by 17 points."
Hardly earthshaking news. So 30,000 or so voters out of a million and a half showed up to vote for Santorum. So what? Did you think about who else was on the ballot? Given Obama's record thus far, there shouldn't be a ghost of a chance of his re-election. But given this pathetic GOP lineup, I wouldn't bet 20 bucks against his winning a second term.
Nobody claimed Kansas doesn't have at least its fair share of devout religious followers. But I'll take the social norms and customs put in place by the religious folks over that of the fruitcakes and deviants in San Francisco any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
There are religious nuts out there like Santorum who are associated with social conservatism. But by no means does that justify a broad brush branding of social conservatives as religious nuts. As you know, I'm no more religious than you are, but most social conservatism is mere common sense and having your head screwed on right.
Until very recently, that described the vast majority of the US population. But a generation and a half ago or so the social progressives led by, yes, radical feminists, dug in and seized control of our public school curricula and began to systematically turn reality on its head. So today you're an extremist and a bigot if you express any reservation about a man marrying another man. The inmates have truly taken over the asylum and we social conservatives are simply doing what we can - where we can - to prevent the entire country from being flushed into the same "progressive" toilet that is San Francisco. For me, and many others, there is absolutely nothing religious about it. And to keep calling the standards and expectations commonly held by social conservatives "big government" is fallacious and nothing but transparent progressive dogma.
Yes, but "where corn grows best" and "where its colder and rainier than Kansas" aren't really how one determines quality of soil. The best soils in the world are nearly universally in alluvial valleys. Kansas history as a shallow sea-bed makes it's soil very similar to alluvial soil across the entire state.
Good point, when I said that I was thinking about NW Ohio which has some of the best soil around and is in the Corn Belt, but it is also a recently drained swamp.
PierreWY...Some people live in rural areas of So CA because they just don't want to be part of the "rat race." They want a quieter type of life and just drive into bigger cities once in awhile...I'm glad that the entire state of CA isn't wall-to-wall cities and metropolitan areas.
No I don't, you always say the rest of Kansas is declining except Johnson County and that there is nothing to do there. Then you mention how much you hate the Kansas social climate and how New Hampshire's social climate is a lot better and how you like that there are many more trees in New Hampshire than in Kansas.
GraniteStater...I agree with you. Sometimes we need to "move on" to a new area that "fits us" better as we change and evolve during our lifetime...What do you think is the basis for the "war" that goes between city and country folks? I've watched the movie "The Grapes of Wrath" many many times and read the book...The "Okies" went through Needles CA in the movie. And the gas station attendants snickered and laughed at them. Back then Needles was a so-called "modern" town and now it's a "dying town" and tiny speck on the map...Why do some big-city people become so smug and arrogant and look down their noses at people who enjoy living in rural areas?...Why isn't there more tolerance? I am a former big-city person who got tired of the "rat-race." So I prefer to live in rural areas today. But I don't think everyone should "follow me" or "be like me!" If someone enjoys big-city life GREAT! I think everyone needs to live in an area that makes them happy!...What I don't like is all the "one-up stuff." And making fun of people who want to live in small towns and rural areas...And nobody should make fun of people who prefer to live in big cities either. As you pointed out we all have different wants and needs. Why can't we all get along??
I don't understand why people get bent out of shape when they hear these stereotypes. Those stereotypes are what make your state unique. Generic suburbia is the boring part of every state.
I wish people would be proud of the rural parts of their state, instead of complaining and saying "I've never set foot on a farm, I live in the suburbs!" Well... there is nothing special about that. Maybe you should take a field trip to a farm.
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No I don't, you always say the rest of Kansas is declining except Johnson County and that there is nothing to do there. Then you mention how much you hate the Kansas social climate and how New Hampshire's social climate is a lot better and how you like that there are many more trees in New Hampshire than in Kansas.
I've lived in eastern KS including Lawrence and JOCO as well as Hays. Like most who grew up in KS I left. Not a big deal. Kansas offers a certain lifestyle that appeals to some people but not others. That is just fine. Everyone knows that the areas of KS that have seen population growth and in-migration have been the bigger metros. The rural counties have been in decline for 100 years so that isn't a new trend. The social climate of Kansas is fairly far out of the mainstream compared to most of the US, but Kansas represents a very small percentage of the population of the country. The social climate of New Hampshire is the polar opposite of Kansas so I can't really draw any direct comparisons. Social conservatism nor fiscal liberalism does well in NH. Teddy Roosevelt Republican ideals fair better. Lots of independents and moderates. Trees? Well, any state in the eastern US will have lots of trees compared to the Plains. I do like trees. Well, my favorite part of KS is the heavily wooded part of eastern JOCO, but the vast majority of them were planted.
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