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Unread 07-11-2012, 06:37 PM
Status: "The great northern Summer has arrived!" (set 17 days ago)
 
Location: Madison, Wisconsin
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Fort Scott, the crime capital of the world, does cater to tourists.
I was just there six months ago. The whole area is just a mess! Southeast Kansas needs lots of reinvestment and good paying jobs.
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Unread 07-11-2012, 08:41 PM
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Location: NW Arkansas
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Poverty breeds crime.
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Unread 07-12-2012, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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Poverty breeds crime.
That is not correct. Most crime is related to drugs. They can't get jobs because they can't pass a drug test and truthfully, I don't think they want to work. They all flash their fat bundles of cash the first part of the month. I come from a poor family in another state and none of my relatives committed crimes. We do have the working poor and I have great admiration for them and they won't steal your car or metal items from the yard to buy drugs. This is not the only city or county with these problems and some do a better job of covering them than others. It is just time to wake up and realize this is not the 50's anywhere. Being poor does not make you a thief, a murderer, an arsonist, etc. People who choose to live in poverty and not try to do any better for themselves and their children breed poverty. Generational welfare breeds crime but it is related to the values of the individual not the circumstances.

Crime is everywhere and Kansas is certainly no exception but I do tend to believe it may be swept under the carpet a little more often here so I provided the stats. People have a right to know and I am sorry if the truth offends anyone. Seriously, we lived for years in JC and never had a problem but it is actually easier to avoid in the larger cities because you know where the hot spots are. Too often people feel the smaller towns don't have these issues. A nice little Mayberry in Kansas? Keep looking.
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Unread 07-12-2012, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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That is not correct. Most crime is related to drugs. They can't get jobs because they can't pass a drug test and truthfully, I don't think they want to work. They all flash their fat bundles of cash the first part of the month. I come from a poor family in another state and none of my relatives committed crimes. We do have the working poor and I have great admiration for them and they won't steal your car or metal items from the yard to buy drugs. This is not the only city or county with these problems and some do a better job of covering them than others. It is just time to wake up and realize this is not the 50's anywhere. Being poor does not make you a thief, a murderer, an arsonist, etc. People who choose to live in poverty and not try to do any better for themselves and their children breed poverty. Generational welfare breeds crime but it is related to the values of the individual not the circumstances.

Crime is everywhere and Kansas is certainly no exception but I do tend to believe it may be swept under the carpet a little more often here so I provided the stats. People have a right to know and I am sorry if the truth offends anyone. Seriously, we lived for years in JC and never had a problem but it is actually easier to avoid in the larger cities because you know where the hot spots are. Too often people feel the smaller towns don't have these issues. A nice little Mayberry in Kansas? Keep looking.
Crime does correlate with poverty. But you're right, it correlates with drug use too, but that also correlates with poverty. I think most folks ultimately want to work and be successful, but with poor economic conditions in which they can't reasonably or easily attain decently-paying (rewarding) work, they basically go with the sentiment of "screw it" and party and try to have fun and find happiness that route, which ultimately leads to addictions and drives them toward a sort of personal dysfunction that is difficult to ever escape. With the meth epidemic, poor white communities are worse off than ever. You bring up the idyllic vision of the 1950's, yet fail to realize a key difference between now and then is that the working-class economy was much better then. The working-class has largely been left behind since about 1970 and we're seeing the effects. As far as I can tell, the only part of the country that is gaining manufacturing jobs en masse is the South, where a lot of 'insourcing' has been occuring the past couple of decades. I would imagine if one were to go to one of the working-class communities in the South that has gained a large number of manufacturing jobs and thus is prospering, one would sense and see the positive sentiment in the air, that things are looking up. (I would hope this is what Brownback would want to replicate.) Now, if you can picture that sort of sentiment, think about it in reverse, and imagine how a negative sentiment flowing through a community for years or decades, along with real effects of impoverishment, could lead to the decay of a community and its population. Try to understand these people. People don't want to be in such conditions. It just happens. Have some sympathy and try empathizing with these people. Actually, you may just be effected by the same ultimate cause. You're just handling it different, which some people will, and that's to be negative and pessimistic. As for Mayberry, I believe it was a much smaller town than yours. The difference between the smallest towns (who are often better off) is that they've never seen the economic rise and fall that the larger SEK towns have, which is why they're such sizeable small towns in the first place. Sometimes I refer to such populations as "leftovers of the industrial era", as in people who settled when things were prosperous and became at home. When the economy fell, they were SOL. Actually, everything I've just explained, on a much larger scale, is a huge part of the reason larger cities, like KC, have such massive ghettos (among other reasons of course, urban situations get more complex).

I could be wrong. I could be right. What I've written is just something to think about.
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Unread 07-12-2012, 10:17 PM
 
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Fort Scott, the crime capital of the world, does cater to tourists.
Everything is relative.
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Unread 07-13-2012, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Venice Italy
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Every nation in this world has a number of people who commit crimes, the criminal's mother is a easy lady and always pregnant, it is difficult to keep them under control , to these criminals are added all those comes from border states. here in Europe we are full of criminals who come from former communist states with the addition of north African and many other ethnic groups, unfortunately, they do not want to work as obvious commit crimes to lives, the most negative consequences hit at the frst step the tourism system.
Anyway the damage caused by these criminals goes beyond all expectations.
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