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01-22-2009, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Samantha S
There's the heart of the problem. The assumption that because a person even remotely looks like they might be related to a Mexican, they must be here illegally.
My favorite line is, "I don't have anything against Mexicans, just the illegal ones." 
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Fifty percent of all Mexicans in the USA are illegal aliens, so it's valid to engage in some degree of profiling. Granted half of them being illegal means half of them are not illegal, but 50% is still a serious enough percentage to warrant giving scrutiny and extra attention to a specific demographic group.
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01-22-2009, 08:13 PM
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Kansas is FULL of profiling - not just racial, but state, county, and every other thing. I would often get asked about being "out of my area" because of the county stickers that Kansas puts on their plates - and when everyone saw "JO" on my plates, they assumed I was a rich snob, just like when people see "WY" they assume you are poor and live in the ghetto.
However, License discrimination is not solely a Kansas/Texas thing, and as often as it has to do with race, it sometimes doesn't. I don't care if you are White/Black/Hispanic/Green, if you drive through Ohio with Out-Of-State Plates you WILL get pulled over by Ohio State Troopers. They HATE everyone who has out of state plates (especially my old state, Michigan) and will definitely not hesitate to give you a ticket for your full miles over.
It really sucks that this exists, but unfortunately, it does. It's up to you if you want to pursue some sort of legal action, but I doubt anything will change the "Good Old Boy" attitude that seems to be prevalent in Kansas.
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Oh, no, I don't want to pursue legal action. But, unfortunately these attitudes are expediating migration out of the midwest.
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01-22-2009, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles
Fifty percent of all Mexicans in the USA are illegal aliens, so it's valid to engage in some degree of profiling. Granted half of them being illegal means half of them are not illegal, but 50% is still a serious enough percentage to warrant giving scrutiny and extra attention to a specific demographic group.
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I don't know about your numbers, but they are irrelevant. It is not local law enforcement's jurisdiction to enforce federal law.
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01-22-2009, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles
Fifty percent of all Mexicans in the USA are illegal aliens, so it's valid to engage in some degree of profiling. Granted half of them being illegal means half of them are not illegal, but 50% is still a serious enough percentage to warrant giving scrutiny and extra attention to a specific demographic group.
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Do you have some source to back that up? Or did you just pull it out of your backside?
Let's check, shall we?
CNN.com - INS: 7 million illegal immigrants in United States - Feb. 1, 2003
Here's an article from cnn that says that there are about 7 million illegals in the US (according to records from 2000)
It also says that the percentage of those who are Mexican is about 70%. That's about 4.9 million for those who are math challenged.
Now, here's a little free statistics lesson for you: That does NOT mean that 70% of the people you see who look Mexican are illegals.
According to the US Census Bureau, there are 35.3 million Hispanic people in the US. (More than half are Mexican, but you can't tell the difference, so I'm using the total.)
That means that when you see a Hispanic person in the US, there is an average less than 14 percent chance that that person is an illegal alien.
That's less than 2 out of every 10 people.
Do we need to do more to curb illegal immigration? Absolutely.
Does it help to assume that everyone we see of Hispanic ancestry is here illegally? Absolutely not.
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01-22-2009, 08:56 PM
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Oh here we go,why is everone racist to mexicans boo hoo!.
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01-23-2009, 03:13 AM
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I don't know about your numbers, but they are irrelevant. It is not local law enforcement's jurisdiction to enforce federal law.
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If somebody is an illegal alien, in Ohio, since they are illegally in the USA they are illegally in Ohio and subject to deportation from Ohio.
When the federal government either is unable or unwilling to solve the problem, states must either step forward and pick up the ball, or drown under the burdens created by illegals.
States have a duty to do what is right and maintaining the rule of law and order within their territory falls within what is right.
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01-23-2009, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Samantha S
Do you have some source to back that up? Or did you just pull it out of your backside?
Let's check, shall we?
CNN.com - INS: 7 million illegal immigrants in United States - Feb. 1, 2003
Here's an article from cnn that says that there are about 7 million illegals in the US (according to records from 2000)
It also says that the percentage of those who are Mexican is about 70%. That's about 4.9 million for those who are math challenged.
Now, here's a little free statistics lesson for you: That does NOT mean that 70% of the people you see who look Mexican are illegals.
According to the US Census Bureau, there are 35.3 million Hispanic people in the US. (More than half are Mexican, but you can't tell the difference, so I'm using the total.)
That means that when you see a Hispanic person in the US, there is an average less than 14 percent chance that that person is an illegal alien.
That's less than 2 out of every 10 people.
Do we need to do more to curb illegal immigration? Absolutely.
Does it help to assume that everyone we see of Hispanic ancestry is here illegally? Absolutely not.
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CNN is gutter trash, there are 5 million illegals alone living just inside the US border in squatter camps. The real number of illegals in the USA is closer to 30-40 million, at the very least the 15 million that the government admits to.
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01-23-2009, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles
CNN is gutter trash, there are 5 million illegals alone living just inside the US border in squatter camps. The real number of illegals in the USA is closer to 30-40 million, at the very least the 15 million that the government admits to.
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30-40 million is an estimate based on very shaky statistical methods. It's a number used to rile up people like you by people who stand to gain from getting people like you riled up.
But I'll grant you 15 million for the sake of argument. That still only comes out to between 2 and 3 out of every 10. Which means that a good majority of Mexican-Americans that you see are AMERICANS.
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01-23-2009, 07:55 AM
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30-40 million is an estimate based on very shaky statistical methods. It's a number used to rile up people like you by people who stand to gain from getting people like you riled up.
But I'll grant you 15 million for the sake of argument. That still only comes out to between 2 and 3 out of every 10. Which means that a good majority of Mexican-Americans that you see are AMERICANS.
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People who gained citizenship because of the Reagan amnesty, the Bush I amnesties, and the Clinton amnesties, are hardly citizens. Likewise, people who gained citizenship because they had anchor babies and the authorities declined to deport them for the sake of their kids, are hardly citizens.
You can call them Americans until you turn blue in the face, but that won't make it so.
About one million people have been illegally entering the USA each year since about 1980 onward... That's an invasion army. Quite a bit more than 15 million.
People who say there are only a few million illegals are people who want to minimize the problem and get Americans to shrug things off so they will complacently accept another amnesty.
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01-23-2009, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles
People who gained citizenship ... are hardly citizens.
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 (Oh God, you're one of "those")
BTW - The economy itself is doing more to stem the flow of illegal aliens than anything else at the moment. That should tell us something ... 
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