The rural exodus accelerates (luxury, schools, living in)

[Jay100]

Originally Posted by cp1969

Where does it end, with everybody packed into 100 nasty, crime-ridden cities and everything else empty?

There is something incredibly wrong with that concept, if that's where we're headed.

That's like in Europe. People crowd into the big cities like London, Berlin, Paris, and Madrid but the rest of the country is mostly vacant.

[Jay100]

Originally Posted by itsMeFred

(BTW, for those that don't know, yes, we have high speed/wireless/etc.)
...

That's funny. You have a sense of humor too.

[pvlman]

Originally Posted by [LEFT

itsMeFred[/left];9314020]A prime example of the above is Nebraska's R-HOP program.
However, what we usually attract via RHOP are

PAs

rather than full fledged doctors.
Don't misunderstand me, it's certainly better than nothing, but the rural areas are having more and more trouble hanging on to all levels of quality physicians...

Regional Health Center started coming into play in the 1960s as I recall, being located in communities that already had other

employment

opportunities

, as education, or many large agricultural suppliers. Other communities are going to first

have

to attract other industry or

services

other than agriculture before the can attract full fledged

MDs

, but now the smaller communities will be trailing those who for

whatever

reasons had a head start. Now you have reminded me of the

flaky

TV series Northern Exposure.

AAArgh

...

[pvlman]

Originally Posted by briansgi

If it's slowly dying, do you think the WalMart will still be there in a couple years if the trend continues, or the fast food restaurants, probably not.

Chances are Walmart will still be there. While today's WM is isn't Sam Walton's WM, but wasn't smaller under served communities part of Sam's original focus? In the unlikely( you would have to believe WM is going to ignore a captive customer base) event WM leaves, someone would fill the void. Before WM there where regional discount store chains. While not all fast food franchises will survive fast "food" will still be available. No doubt everything will be scaled down to meet the wealth population demands

[pvlman]

Originally Posted by pioneer88

That buffalo commons thing is interesting. I'd like to know more about it, more specifics about location etc. How do they plan on deciding which cities to "shut down" or if not how do they plan on keeping the bison in that area only? Or will it be like many different preserves instead of one huge continuous area for them to roam? Also, with our current use of the rivers many of them in the high plains don't carry much water at all. (Darn you colorado! ; ) Surely they won't stop agriculture in the plains all together after all 1 Kansas Farmer feeds "127 people and you" ever year. So how do you suggest we handle this?

Anyway, a lot of rambling I know. Any thougths would be welcomed, especially if you have any inside information.

I don't mean any disrespect by suggesting that you google the term buffalo commons, but it's the simplest way for you to get a variety of information. I'm nor suggesting the entire plan put forth by the Poppers is the way to go, but perhaps some version of it. Pay the farmers to restore the short grass prairie on the plains on which to start beef to table trip, grown the corn to feed the cattle out in the Midwest, where dry land corn works. That should preclude the growing of dry land grain sorghum(to keep finishing operations here on the plains) or wheat where it now is possible on the plains as long as it remains possible. The ability of the KS farmer to feed 127 people in even the short term, appears in jeopardy of not being sustainable. Current support subsidies go to show it isn't sustainable now. Be wary of fear mongering by corporate interests. While what we eat in what quantities, is going to have to change to feed a growing population, there should be no reason for anyone to be undernourished for a long time. In the US there untold acres that can grow food that can be utilize. The problem is the battle who is going to get the money, and how much each will get. Agribusinesses biggest fear is the knowledge that even large cities could feed themselves nutriciously if need be. All those cities need to do is look back to how it was done before subsidized Energy, food production. All subsidised food production needs to be examined, not that exists on the Plains. I really don't know much for certain, but as long as corporate interests are kept in check, I'm not fearfull that my neighbors or myself will starve. Time to go do something useful. Regards..

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by pvlman

I don't mean any disrespect by suggesting that you google the term buffalo commons, but it's the simplest way for you to get a variety of information. I'm nor suggesting the entire plan put forth by the Poppers is the way to go, but perhaps some version of it. Pay the farmers to restore the short grass prairie on the plains on which to start beef to table trip, grown the corn to feed the cattle out in the Midwest, where dry land corn works. That should preclude the growing of dry land grain sorghum(to keep finishing operations here on the plains) or wheat where it now is possible on the plains as long as it remains possible. The ability of the KS farmer to feed 127 people in even the short term, appears in jeopardy of not being sustainable. Current support subsidies go to show it isn't sustainable now. Be wary of fear mongering by corporate interests. While what we eat in what quantities, is going to have to change to feed a growing population, there should be no reason for anyone to be undernourished for a long time. In the US there untold acres that can grow food that can be utilize. The problem is the battle who is going to get the money, and how much each will get. Agribusinesses biggest fear is the knowledge that even large cities could feed themselves nutriciously if need be. All those cities need to do is look back to how it was done before subsidized Energy, food production. All subsidised food production needs to be examined, not that exists on the Plains. I really don't know much for certain, but as long as corporate interests are kept in check, I'm not fearfull that my neighbors or myself will starve. Time to go do something useful. Regards..

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion.
+1

[pioneer88]

I haven't been back in a bit but as soon as I made that previous comment I looked up what I could about the Buffalo Commons concept. I'll probably give more of an opinion about it on another day (I'm tired) but I can say this, some of it makes sense to a degree while some I'm not for. Anyway, have a good night.

[itsMeFred]

Originally Posted by pvlman

Regional Health Center started coming into play in the 1960s as I recall, being located in communities that already had other

employment

opportunities

, as education, or many large agricultural suppliers. Other communities are going to first

have

to attract other industry or

services

other than agriculture before the can attract full fledged

MDs

, but now the smaller communities will be trailing those who for

whatever

reasons had a head start. Now you have reminded me of the

flaky

TV series Northern Exposure.

AAArgh

...

maybe it's the weird formatting, but I don't think I understand what you're saying...

[pvlman]

Originally Posted by itsMeFred

maybe it's the weird formatting, but I don't think I understand what you're saying...

Why the post got so scrambled I don't know. As best as I recall I was responding to a post concerning the lack of MD.'s in smaller rural communities. Basically I was say part of the reason was due to the creation of regional medical centers in rural cities that had other employment oppurtunities. These cities are attractive to to MD's whose spouse has a career track they also would want to pursue, not to mention a variety of experiences for their children. IMO the health centers where located in cities that already had a population that could, and was WILLING to take on a major portion of the tax revenue it would take to get the regional health centers started. OK now I know I should stick with CAPITAL letters to highlight a word. I seen the formatting character like before, but I figured they wouldn't show up in the actual post.

[itsMeFred]

IMO the health centers where located in cities that already had a population that could, and was WILLING to take on a major portion of the tax revenue it would take to get the regional health centers started.

that's entirely possible.
But what about those of us who live 150, 200 miles, or better, from a regional health center??