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Old 08-07-2007, 06:20 AM
 
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Specials are the little taxes that are held up for the developer to bring in water and electric, and paved roads, then they add on a bit for good mesure, and then make you pay for 20 years appx 1500 to 2000 dollars a year on top of your property tax.
Not to many people pay the tax off early, because they pay the bill each year and then pass the bal. on to the next buyer. Not to many people stay in kansas for longer than 5 to 10 years.
Yes you are correct you pay a small % on the value of your home in kansas, but you forget to tell people that the millage is 3 to 5 times higher than many other states. so you are paying a smaller % on a much higher Millage, some mills run 156, and the value of your home is not discounted in kansas, they value what you have at market value or more. So a home worth 130,000 is valued at 130,000.
It is difficult to find a home on a small 75x100 foot lot that would tax out at less then 1500 a year.
In arkansas the same home with your homestead ded. is from 250 to 400 a year.
I had 30 acres in wis. and a home valued at 190k I was taxed 1100 a year.
In kansas you would be paying 5k a year.
Homes are built one on top of another. You are a sardine, homes back up to several other homes. No privacy.
It is what is called bedroom comunitys, you go to work come home go to bed. then you move to a nice place when you are done working there.
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Old 08-07-2007, 08:37 AM
 
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Specials are the little taxes that are held up for the developer to bring in water and electric, and paved roads, then they add on a bit for good mesure, and then make you pay for 20 years appx 1500 to 2000 dollars a year on top of your property tax.
Not to many people pay the tax off early, because they pay the bill each year and then pass the bal. on to the next buyer. Not to many people stay in kansas for longer than 5 to 10 years.
Yes you are correct you pay a small % on the value of your home in kansas, but you forget to tell people that the millage is 3 to 5 times higher than many other states. so you are paying a smaller % on a much higher Millage, some mills run 156, and the value of your home is not discounted in kansas, they value what you have at market value or more. So a home worth 130,000 is valued at 130,000.
It is difficult to find a home on a small 75x100 foot lot that would tax out at less then 1500 a year.
In arkansas the same home with your homestead ded. is from 250 to 400 a year.
I had 30 acres in wis. and a home valued at 190k I was taxed 1100 a year.
In kansas you would be paying 5k a year.
Homes are built one on top of another. You are a sardine, homes back up to several other homes. No privacy.
It is what is called bedroom comunitys, you go to work come home go to bed. then you move to a nice place when you are done working there.
I'm leaving millage out as to not confuse the situation. I specifically noted that I was talking about a percentage of the home value (sales price) so why you brought millage into the discussion is odd.

Here are some actual references. Please feel free to show counter examples.

Here are property and other statistics for lenexa (next door to Shawnee), median property taxes in 2000 were around 1700.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Lenexa-Kansas.html

Here the state of WI says that the median home property tax in Wisconsin is over $2700. This leads me to believe that you had some sort of special deal or lived in a township etc. and didn't have to pay for sewer, schools, fire etc. as it's ridiculous to have 30 acres and a 190k house for 1100 a year unless the median home price in Wisconsin is like 500k. Hey, we can swap outlying data points but we are talking realistic comparables here.

Wisconsin Office of the Governor - Media Room (http://www.wisgov.state.wi.us/journal_media_detail.asp?locid=19&prid=2320 - broken link)

P.S. I know someone that pays NO property tax because their ancestors donated farmland to the city for a park....true, but doesn't exactly help the lady make an informed decision eh?
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Old 08-08-2007, 02:05 PM
 
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Default Kansas taxes

We have been considering a move to Kansas - the real estate is far more affordable than Louisiana, but OY! the taxes have put us off. Louisiana has homestead exemption up to 75,000 house value. All we pay for our current home is a $40.00 fire parcel fee every April.

However, we need to move and it's been very trying - we'd like a place with low crime. A small town environment. We found two really charming areas in KS we like, but when we questioned the realtor about the taxes on one of the homes there, they seemed very sketchy to give answers. I can see why now.

As for Arkansas, I live right next to it - it's a quick jaunt from my house in La., and I can say for all the small towns in South Arkansas, its a shame the crime is so bad there. It's beautiful country, but in places like El Dorado, etc. Can't leave your car (or home for that matter) unlocked. You get low taxes, but my hubby travels for work and I'd be afraid to stay in my home there alone with the kids for months at a time.
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Old 08-08-2007, 03:46 PM
 
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We have been considering a move to Kansas - the real estate is far more affordable than Louisiana, but OY! the taxes have put us off. Louisiana has homestead exemption up to 75,000 house value. All we pay for our current home is a $40.00 fire parcel fee every April.

However, we need to move and it's been very trying - we'd like a place with low crime. A small town environment. We found two really charming areas in KS we like, but when we questioned the realtor about the taxes on one of the homes there, they seemed very sketchy to give answers. I can see why now.

As for Arkansas, I live right next to it - it's a quick jaunt from my house in La., and I can say for all the small towns in South Arkansas, its a shame the crime is so bad there. It's beautiful country, but in places like El Dorado, etc. Can't leave your car (or home for that matter) unlocked. You get low taxes, but my hubby travels for work and I'd be afraid to stay in my home there alone with the kids for months at a time.
FYI- Property taxes are tax deductible if you itemize. Pin the realator down as to the current property taxes....heck....I've seen them included on listing sheets. They often don't want to say because sometimes homes are reassed upon purchase as some townships may keep increases low for the existing homeowner and then true them up after the place sells. So, they don't want to tell you a number like 1k a year and then get have it jump to 1400 etc. and have you mad at them.

Also, it would be wise to factor in what type of sales tax and income tax changes you may be in for. Some states have higher of one and lower than the other so you need to factor it ALL in.
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Old 08-09-2007, 08:53 AM
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the actual gain from deduction your property taxes on avrage is minimal impact vs not paying 3k a year.
Taxes in kansas are high plain and simple. The wages in kansas are about medium, taxes are high. Housing in wichita are not homes for the long run, they are rat race homes that people use until they can go where they really want to be.
No one goes to kansas or wichita for vacation, unless they have family there.
Now that the idiots of wichita voted down the casino there is not even going to be the dog track. they are shutting it down. wichita a place to work and pray. Yep people want to go there real bad.
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Old 08-09-2007, 01:40 PM
 
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the actual gain from deduction your property taxes on avrage is minimal impact vs not paying 3k a year.
Taxes in kansas are high plain and simple. The wages in kansas are about medium, taxes are high. Housing in wichita are not homes for the long run, they are rat race homes that people use until they can go where they really want to be.
No one goes to kansas or wichita for vacation, unless they have family there.
Now that the idiots of wichita voted down the casino there is not even going to be the dog track. they are shutting it down. wichita a place to work and pray. Yep people want to go there real bad.
Rather than a rambling diatribe, perhaps post some facts next time.
Kansas ranks 15th highest in the US.

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Old 08-09-2007, 03:37 PM
 
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Default here are some facts

here are some facts.
MORE TAXES FOR WICHITANS
by Karl Peterjohn

Expanding gambling in Sedgwick County will lower taxes and provide “…tax relief…,” according to casino advocates’ campaign flyer. This claim is preposterous in light of the soaring property tax hikes and spending expansion plans being generated by local government in our community.

Historically it is also ridiculous when taxes in general and property taxes in particular rose following the passage of the state lottery in the 1980s. Gambling proponents campaign does raise some key questions for this community’s tax status and overall fiscal climate.

In 2006 Sedgwick County commissioners unanimously raised their mill levy 2.55 mills despite a public outcry and uproar opposing this hike. Two commissioners were then removed from office in the 2006 elections because of the county’s property tax hike. This mill levy increase was on top of soaring property tax appraisals that provide additional taxes for the county’s proposed $386.5 million budget.

The City of Wichita’s 2008 proposed budget is $495.62 million and this is an increase of over $100 million from the 2006’s $390.1 million. City spending is soaring with a two-year increase of 27 percent and an increase over last year’s revised budget of slightly less than 15 percent. There are a large number of new spending proposals pending at city hall too including $24.5 million for the county’s arena project and $290 million to remodel Century II in a few years.

The Wichita public schools are now proposing a two mill property tax hike (many other Wichita area public school districts are also seeking more property taxes too). This is on top of the $31 million increase in state tax funds for USD 259. USD 259 plans to hire 163 new employees for a school district with a gradually declining enrollment.

Despite having an opportunity to place this issue before voters August 7, none of the districts decided to let voters have a say in deciding the fate of school tax hikes. Once again, Wichita area voters were disenfranchised and it is important to remember that none of the school board or Wichita city candidates running in last April’s election campaigned on a platform of raising property taxes in particular or backing tax hikes in general.

Wichita public schools had massive spending growth over the last few years. The district’s first budget over $300 million was in 2000-01. The first $400 million budget was in 2005-06. The first official $1/2 billion school budget is this year (but if all tax funds were included this actually took place two years ago).

If additional tax funds from Washington and pension tax funds from Topeka are added these figures are much larger. The official USD 259 proposed budget is just under $516 million but if the “off budget” tax dollars are included this figure grows to $577 million.

If all tax funds are included and enrollment remains the same as last year, spending will be close to $13,000 per FTE pupil annually. If only the “official” spending figures are used the spending will be over $11,600 per FTE pupil annually in Wichita.

In our community government growth is on tax steroids while the private sector struggles with the same growing energy, health insurance, and utility costs that are the justifications being used to raise taxes. Big government in Wichita puts us at a competitive disadvantage compared to similar sized communities in our neighboring states where voters decide the fate of tax increases. This increases the risk and uncertainty for Wichita firms, while it limits economic growth in our community.


and according to cnn money.com wichita ranks 38th in the highest taxed overall citys in the usa. Now this is taking into account cities like new york and many in california,new jersey,ect.
Wichita has nothing to offer for being that high in the tax burden.
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Old 08-09-2007, 05:39 PM
 
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Thankyou VERY much for posting this.
It is a welcome relief to see the actual situation with facts and numbers to help educate us all instead of just having to hear someone rant about how poopy the place is or that taxes are a million dollars a year and where they lived before gold just lay about on the front yard.

I hope more people around this forum get in the habit of helping people make informed decisions when they come here looking for real help and advice.
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Old 09-12-2007, 03:15 PM
 
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I was looking for a house in SW Shawnee in Topeka, the price $480,000, annual property tax = $8,160 and $2,000 special tax. Don't forget the annual tax assessment for your car, RV and boat too.
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Old 09-12-2007, 05:52 PM
 
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The "special taxes" being referred to are called Special Assessments. These are taxes/fees assessed to the property to pay for the development and are common in newer developments. They are used to pay of the debt the City took on to pay to extend infrastructure such as sewers, streets, etc. It makes sense to have to pay a special assessment to live in a newer development. These costs are passed on to the individual property owners so that the remainder of the community does not have to bear the burden of paying for new development.

Kansas property taxes are generally high when compared to states from other regions - especially the south and the west. But compared to other midwestern and great plains states, our property taxes are not appreciably higher. A good deal of our property taxes go to our schools, and yet our schools still do not have enough money. We also have significantly less industry as compared to other states, therefore a disproportionate share of the property tax burden is shifted to residential uses.

You get what you pay for. Special Assessments for a new home in a new neighborhood plus generally better funded schools.
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