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Old 10-26-2007, 11:33 PM
 
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Hello all!!

I'm originally from WA. State and I use to live near the army post in the city of Tacoma. I can honestly say that WA is a beautiful state, so I would like to live in a nice, clean, pretty, fun state. I am not much of a small town girl, I like to be able to shop at 3am if I have the urge to and I've always lived in or around military post and as of right now, I am living in Puerto Rico, but soon to be relocating to either Lawton (ft.sill) or somewhere in KY (ft.Knox) and since I've never been to neither states, I cant decide where to move to, but my soon to be husband wants me to make the final decision, but I need some help. Can someone please give me some insights about OK/Lawton?

[font='Times New Roman']Which Army Post is better= Ft. Sill or Ft. Knox?
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Old 10-27-2007, 01:12 PM
 
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LizaMR; I was in the Air Force so I have no idea what the two posts are like to be assigned to. If you are from Seattle, Fort Knox will look a lot more like home than Fort Sill. It's also a little closer to a major city (Louisville). Over my 23 years, I was stationed at several supposedly "undesirable" bases. All I heard about the bases was that they are "awful". I came to realize that those who had bad things to say about a particular base had either never been there or were there and did little to seek out the positive things that EVERY assignment offers. As for Fort Sill, if it's anything like Drumright, where I went to truck driving school, I'd enjoy it. And Oklahoma City has a lot to offer, IMHO. I found people in OK very down-to-earth and welcoming. FWIW, Lawton is right in the middle of "Tornado Alley" but Midwesterners pretty much let life go on without worrying about it. Best of luck to you both; thanks for his (and your!) service!
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Old 10-27-2007, 11:37 PM
 
Location: North Idaho Panhandle
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Default I lived in Ft Still ...a long time ago

LizaMR:

Many years ago, we moved from the Ft. Lewis base in Tacoma just 3 months after our getting there, to Ft Sill in Lawton OK during the 1970's and the Viet Nam era....a very long time ago I know,... but it was in the first months of our marriage! Subsequent to that time, and MANY years later I moved back to the Seattle area, and understand your love of Washington State.

Because of our Army re-assignment in the 70's to Ft Sill, and our supbsequent reassignment to Alaska, I can tell you that while in Lawton for nearly 3 years .... the first friends I made while in Lawton at Ft Sill have been life-long friends that are still a part of that Oklahoma family all these years later.

I cannot tell you anything other than each move is an adventure full of riches! It will be what you make it ....no matter which duty station you have in choice (which I also know isn't also YOUR choice when in the military).

My oldest son is an AF Capt in Kyrgzstan ...his 5th or 6th mission now, and will be home soon we hope .....I understand the importance of military family .... I know you will find that same family in any duty station you are assigned to! We had them then, and they are still with you now.

Thank you for your service and dedication. It is with appreciation and great thanks from this Grandma that you serve us so well!!!
Thank you so very much!
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:30 AM
 
Location: On the Ohio River in Western, KY
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Hello all!!

I'm originally from WA. State and I use to live near the army post in the city of Tacoma. I can honestly say that WA is a beautiful state, so I would like to live in a nice, clean, pretty, fun state. I am not much of a small town girl, I like to be able to shop at 3am if I have the urge to and I've always lived in or around military post and as of right now, I am living in Puerto Rico, but soon to be relocating to either Lawton (ft.sill) or somewhere in KY (ft.Knox) and since I've never been to neither states, I cant decide where to move to, but my soon to be husband wants me to make the final decision, but I need some help. Can someone please give me some insights about OK/Lawton?

[font='Times New Roman']Which Army Post is better= Ft. Sill or Ft. Knox?
I don't know anything about Ft Sill, but I know about Knox, that is where hubby is now for training, and we will either go to Knox, Campbell, or Lewis when he gets done with training.

Can you tell me about the Tacoma area?

All our family is from between Knox and Campbell, so we kinda wanted to stay close, but you know how the Army is, lol! Is there any thing to look for in the Tacoma area, or anything bad about the area we need to look for?
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Old 11-06-2007, 12:38 PM
 
Location: The Bay State
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After being at Ft Lewis, I suspect that you will find both Ft Sill and Ft Knox to be somewhat, um, disappointing. You certainly won't be doing any 3 a.m. shopping in either place, unless it's at a gas station convenience store.

Knox is about 30 miles from Louisville, which is a decent city. Sill is probably about 80 miles from OKC.

I guess if you made me choose between Knox and Sill, I'd pick Knox, but not with much enthusiasm.
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Old 11-11-2007, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Eastern Kentucky
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Dear Liz:

I've neither been in the service nor to Fort Knox. However, I lived in Lawton for several years and now live in Kentucky.

Lawton is a nice place. It is a bit of an Army town in that there are folks there whom you wouldn't normally encounter in Oklahoma. I saw lots of soldiers in BDUs and occasionally in what I think you call class a's. The dry cleaners do a big business in BDUs. Retired Army people are common. Its a big town of about 80,000 or more people the last I heard. I don't recall but I believe the base is just as populous.

The base is big. I only drove onto it briefly to turn around. In 1993, it was not as sealed as Tinker AFB in Midwest City. But the Murragh bombing happened while I was there.

At the time, Lawton was rated the most integrated city in the country while Tulsa was rated the least. Which gives you an idea of the Army's influence. When any discrimination occurs, the locals simply call the base which declares the offender off limits. Its very effective and fast. The day after someone complained of poor service at Denny's, it conspicuously had a black manager.

There is frequently artillery going off in the distance. I grew up in McAlester down the road from the Army Ammunition Plant, so the booms in Lawton were not noticeable until someone called them to my attention. Then again my hearing is not the best. Western Oklahoma is dry compared to Kentucky. The grass turns brown much sooner. There is/was a mall and a college in Lawton. Lawton is a straight shot on the interstate to OKC and Tulsa.

It is where many of the western tribes were brought following the Indian wars. There are Apaches, Comanches, Kiowas, etc. Oklahoma is organized into Indian nations with each having a territory and being responsible for various services to the Indians in their respective area. It doesn't work that way. It's easier to get a ramp built on your house by your own tribe especially if you have relatives who are friendly with the chief even if you live in another tribe's area. I dealt with lots of people who complained of poor services from their or their relative's tribe. In eastern Oklahoma, the tribes are more assimilated and influential.

The roads in Oklahoma are not as well cared for as in Kentucky but they are better than in Arkansas.

The courts in Lawton are strict about drugs. They used to say that the mention of drugs resulted in an automatic conviction. Lawyers who prided themselves in being undefeated always explained that drug cases didn't count. The public defenders were independent contractors and poorly paid and poorly motivated. The DA's office was so hard nosed that the state offered them money to ask for lighter sentences. The same DA is still there.

Oklahomans never meet anyone too tough on crime. When the Rodney King beating happened, I was in Midwest City, and a similar occurence happened in OKC. A mentally ill black man swung a weed cutter at a police officer and was shot 14 times. There was no controversy or investigation. In fact, even the NAACP was only half-hearted in complaining. Up north, if you resist a mugging and assault a criminal, you go to jail. In Oklahoma, if you resist arrest and assault a police officer, you die, and everyone agrees that it was deserved. Nobody asks if it was necessary.

In fact, there was a man who owned a pawn/jewelry store and lived upstairs. He was burglarized and shot and killed the intruder. The papers asked him if he expected to be prosecuted. He responded that he wasn't the year before when the same thing happened.

I have relatives that grew up in Lawton in the 1950s and acquaintances who grew up in Lawton in the 1960s.

Churches are like much of the South. One or two of each denomination and a zillion Baptist churches. There was no synagogue when I was there though services are held on base. There was a town at least an hour's drive away that had one but I can't remember the name.

The biggest difference in Oklahoma and Kentucky is that in Oklahoma the working class considers it home and that the rich are just visiting. In eastern Kentucky, its the opposite.

The fastest way to get on anyone's bad side in either place is to talk about north and south like you're still up north. Tolerance and multiculturalism means don't diss the south, christians, evangelicals, republicans, rednecks, or country music. Keep comparisons with the north to a bare minimum. None of the comments about religion, ignorance, incest, or racism which yankees think are cute. Rush Limbaugh is beloved, and Connie Chung practically caused a riot. Remember in Oklahoma and Kentucky even the Quakers are armed. Good manners are mandatory. Yankees with good manners will likely be welcomed though no one remembers meeting one. I'm sure if they exist it's probably in the Army. Assume that everyone, including those who never served, respects the military and that most, including many in what up north would be monolithically marxist occupations, are quite conservative.

Thank you for your service. Enjoy your stay in either state. Have a nice day.

Last edited by GreatPumpkin; 11-11-2007 at 12:53 PM.. Reason: correct spelling
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