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Old 06-09-2008, 11:54 PM
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I can speak from experience , I am a transplant living in Louisville from West Virginia. I am also a white man who supports Obama . I am getting sick and tired of how America is becoming divided between this red and blue state ,urban and rural mentality of thought. I know there are a lot of bigots in West Virginia and eastern Kentucky I have seen it and heard plenty of stupid comments growing up , but I have heard these same comments in Louisville also. My point is this are we as liberals doing are causes for racial justice any good by excluding and making fun of this people who live in rural areas? No , you are not , you are just reinforcing their single minded views and pushing them further away. It is a form bigotry of its own. These people are not bad people , they just have never been exposed to much culture outside of their communities. The only exposure some of these people get of other races and point of views is through the media , and we all know how the media portrays minorities. I know if Obama would make visits and show attention to 'wv and Kentucky he could win , because these people are wanting change. These people also have more in common with african americans then they do with most upper middle class whites , they just got see and admit it .

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Old 06-10-2008, 12:31 AM
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Obama does not care about people living in the states he cannot win. What a concept huh?

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Old 06-10-2008, 03:35 PM
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One must remember that liberals such as the author of the story in question want everyone to be "tolerant" of every one else yet liberals are the least "tolerant" people. If you dont agree with them they will more than happily tag you with a name like racist, bigot, homophobe and the like. How dare you disagree with the self-anointed.

Besides losing Louisville wouldnt be that big of a deal. Then Kentucky could move the Kentucky Derby to where all the horses are - in Lexington. Then what would the people of Louisville do instead?? They seem to always need help from UK for their basketball program whether its signing a former coach of Kentucky or bringing in former players to help teach their players how to play basketball. LOL

I have driven through Louisville but never stopped. I am sure its a wonderful city - once you get into the suburbs. Too many lunatic liberals in the city for this conservative/moderate person.

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Old 06-10-2008, 04:32 PM
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One must remember that liberals such as the author of the story in question want everyone to be "tolerant" of every one else yet liberals are the least "tolerant" people. If you dont agree with them they will more than happily tag you with a name like racist, bigot, homophobe and the like. How dare you disagree with the self-anointed.

I have driven through Louisville but never stopped. I am sure its a wonderful city - once you get into the suburbs. Too many lunatic liberals in the city for this conservative/moderate person.
Actually, Jefferson County is only SLIGHTLY more liberal than Fayette County. In 2004 Kerry won Jefferson Co by 1%, Bush won Fayette Co by 6%. They were also the only 2 KY counties Obama won in the Democratic primary last month. Both also have Democrat congressional reps.

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Old 06-10-2008, 08:07 PM
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Articles like that give liberalism a bad name. I'm an old fashioned put-it-on-the-check FDR-New Deal economic liberal. I believe in the dignity of working people and believe in labor unions, high wages and single payer health care. I believe every working person should have a safe and good paying job.

I'm also against abortion and gun control and wouldn't give a nickel to people who won't work (which is not the same as "can't work" or "unemployed").

It's because of snotty "social liberals" the we economic liberals have a hard time getting our message out. I don't think the person that wrote that article was liberal at all.

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Old 07-11-2008, 02:34 PM
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This is likely a satire, but still it contains a loose sentiment some liberal Louisvillians feel. There is a disconnect between the state's largest city and her rural neighbors, bur is this kind of article necessary?

From Louisville's liberal alt weekly, Leo:

Home | LEO Weekly

Summary of My Discontent: A cry for secession
By Jim Welp

The time has come for Louisville to secede from Kentucky. The two have been at philosophical odds ever since our forefathers chose Frankfort as the state’s bucolic capital in 1792, ensuring a salt-of-the-earth-if-mildly-retarded state-worker pool forevermore.


Because Louisville is a vibrant, progressive city (not counting Dan Seum) in a dirt-poor, third-world state*, it’s only natural that our tax dollars whisk to Frankfort each year, while only a small percentage hobble back in the form of evolution-agnostic textbooks and posh dormitories for college athletes.


Sure, it’s awesome knowing our tax dollars are going to help coax the worms out of some Appalachian kid’s toenails because his people can’t provide shoes. It’s the same sort of glow that comes from writing a check to the Red Cross for Darfur. Call me a starry-eyed optimist, but I don’t mind buying school lunches for children in Monkey’s Unibrow because I think it’s important to give them something to look forward to besides listening to their daddys’ Bocephus records while making out with their siblings.


But at some point, Kentucky has got to stop holding Louisville back. It’s fine for our country cousins to smoke their Luckies and shoot their tater cannons and snort their Oxy and recite the Ten Commandments off a tombstone in the town square while hating gays, but why do I have to pay the emergency-room tab with my tax money? Louisville wants to be a progressive city; Kentucky wants to be a regressive state. Why don’t we both own up to it and part company amicably?


The refusal of the 2008 General Assembly to raise the cigarette tax was the last straw. The commonwealth is perpetually desperate for roads, education, healthcare and social services, while leading the nation in smoking and smoking-related illnesses. One in four pregnant women smoke.

Forty percent of our poorest citizens smoke. The state incurs $1.5 billion each year in smoking-related healthcare costs. By raising the cigarette tax, Kentucky could’ve generated desperately needed revenue while simultaneously improving health.


There is a classic ethical quiz put to philosophy students called The Cave Dilemma. The story goes like this: You and four others are exploring a cave when water begins to rise. The first person to flee the cave is a morbidly obese Kentuckian who gets stuck in the mouth of the cave, trapping everyone inside, where they will surely perish from the rising water and/or his Taco-Bell flatulence.

Being a Kentuckian yourself, you discover a stick of dynamite in your back pocket. Do you blast the corpulent bastard out of the cave, which would kill him and set the others free? Or do you leave him to survive and let the rest drown?


The Cave Dilemma presents ethics students with two bad options: Kill one person or let five die. When philosophers discuss the dilemma they say there are no wrong answers. But there is a wrong answer, and Kentucky senators found it. In refusing to raise the cigarette tax, the General Assembly chose to both kill the fat guy stuck in the cave and everyone inside. Is that the kind of state you want to live in?


Unfortunately, the system is stacked against us. Rural lawmakers — both Republican and Demopublican — don’t just work against our city’s interests, they gleefully urinate in any Louisville-flavored Cheerios they can find, then celebrate on lobbyist money at Thunder and Derby parties. And they have us woefully outnumbered.


So it’s time to secede. We could bolt for Indiana, but that wouldn’t help: same hicks, different accent. Instead, imagine:
Louisville, the city-state.


OK, so modern city-states don’t have a great track record. Vatican City and Singapore are living in the same century as rural Kentucky. And Washington, D.C. attracts miscreants like Karl Rove and Mitch McConnell.


But it could be a perfect solution for pulling Louisville into the future without dragging the bulky deadweight of Kentucky along. Imagine a Louisville without Kentucky. We’d have the arts, the economic engine, the educated workforce and the talented homosexuals without all that pesky redneckery. And imagine a Kentucky without Louisville. They could handle their rattlesnakes and teach their little bullies creationism and root for their Wallcats on their topless mountains without having to fight off hippies and atheists.


See? Win-win. Maybe we could even swap Fairdale for Bernheim Forest …

* Not counting the equine, coal, tobacco, liquor, banking, energy, fast-food, automobile and marijuana millionaires.

Contact the writer at
jimwelp@gmail.com
Oh, my! Eccentric, indeed, not to mention a lot of other things I would like to call this person. This type of person is not a liberal. He's what most are now calling a liberal extremist, which is even worse than a conservative extremist. A liberal is someone who believes in this way: "I may not believe as you do, but I will fight to my death for your right to believe as you do" (paraphrasing). This is the way an overwhelming majority of Americans have always felt, especially liberals, which is nothing like this type of extremist. This new party has come along and they are the liberal extremists. They want to tell everyone how they should live, how they should feel, how they should believe, etc. They are the ones who literally stop conversatives from being able to make speeches. It's happened numerous times over the last few years in the USA, believe it or not. So, they want to take freedom of speech away from anyone who doesn't believe as they do, tell people how to live, etc, divide the USA, and are far from being liberals. To me, this is the type of person that is destroying our country. Being united is one of the main things that has made this country so great. They are the ones who want to kick all of the people that do not believe as they do out of their way, not vice versa. These are the people who were screaming to separate the blue and red states.

Well, I'm going to have to cool down a little before I email this extremist and tell him exactly what I think. I'll post my email response to him here when I'm finished. I'm just trying to decide whether I want to lower myself to his standards or not. I probably shouldn't, but I probably will. I don't have a thing against gay people, but you could turn everything he said about smokers around and mention the health costs because of AIDS. No, gays aren't the only people who have AIDS, but they are, by far, the majority. I actually have an article on Uganda where the people refused to accept homosexuals, period, and their statistics on AIDS are unbelieveable when you compare to before and after they made homosexuality illegal. AIDS went down to almost nothing as compared to before. I am certain Louisville has more gays than rural Kentucky. I hate to go that route and I feel it's just as ridiculous and pathetic as what he said about smoking and the rural people of Kentucky, but sometimes you have to give them a taste of their own medicine to wake arrogant, extremists like this up to reality.

Pretty soon this country is going to become a Communist country with everyone trying to tell everyone how to live their lives. Soon people like this will be trying to tell people what to eat and how much of it to eat and that they have to exercise so many hours a day, etc. I mean, where does this maddness end??? Yes, smoking is horrible for people, but do we and should we really have a right to tell people how to live their lives? If so, then we should make people stop drinking and a long list of other things, too. Maybe we should even stop people that have a lot of inherited health problems from having children. This could be endless and I think by forcing people to quit smoking that they are just opening up a can of worms.

I'm just going to have to go cool down for a little while. And I agree, this man needs to move to San Fransisco or somewhere else if he isn't happy in Kentucky. I have a feeling, though, this type of person would never be happy anywhere simply because, as long as this is a free country, there are always going to be people who do not agree with him on how to live their lives. I think that's very, very sad.

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Old 07-11-2008, 05:22 PM
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after the past 7 years of leadership the conservatives ranks have put this country through I wouldnt be very proud at all to call myself a conservative. Bring on the goodole days of Democratic leadership!

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Old 07-11-2008, 06:26 PM
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after the past 7 years of leadership the conservatives ranks have put this country through I wouldnt be very proud at all to call myself a conservative. Bring on the goodole days of Democratic leadership!
Hope this wasn't for what I posted because it had nothing whatsoever to do with Democrats/Republicans. It was about extremists. I am a Democrat and my little rural county of Kentucky is an overwhelming majority of Democrats, as are most of the surrounding counties. We definitely need a Democrat in the Whitehouse, but we certainly do not need a liberal extremists. There's a huge difference.

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Old 07-11-2008, 06:31 PM
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lol this had very little to do with what you had stated in your post. This was a reply to the thread as a whole. If I reply to one person I am man enough to quote them first and not blindly attack someone.

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Old 07-11-2008, 06:51 PM
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Obama is moving to the right everyday... there may not be much difference btw him and McCain in November.

I as long as he is strong on the war on terror and keeps our overall taxes low, I can live with Mr O. I had high hopes for Bush II, but other than preventing terrorist attacks after 2001 he has really dropped the ball. America is no longer an industrial power, we are a service based economy where most jobs pay the minimum wage. My uncles were able to provide for a family by simply working in a factory. Today you have to get a Master's degree to keep the same standard of living

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