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Old 06-02-2008, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Kentucky
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Nobody is sugar coating anything I find a bucket of negative out any state/commonwealth, it's not just KY or WV or TN or any of the classically rural states that have their negatives. I'd like to see someone in NY or CA go off and leave their doors unlocked or their keys in their truck ... I can and not worry about it because I know no one is going to mess with anything.
To be fair I don't have much use for Hillary McBama (that's all 3) but Obama stated that Hillary won KY because Arkansas is closer to KY than his home state ... excuse me??!! Since when Mr. Harvard grad? This ole uneducated redneck, clinging to my guns and bible knows that IL actually boarders KY and AR doesn't, I didn't even go to Harvard (good thing or I'd be clueless on geography) I also know there us only 50 states and not 58, as Obama stated. I also know Germany and Japan were small countries, so what's you're point about Iran, Cuba and North Korea being small and posing no threat, tell that to the 100 million that died in WWII about no threat from a small country. I can tell the difference between a 8 year old girl reading poetry on a airstrip and sniper fire, Hillary. (don't worry she has a lot more lies no need to list them all here) All of them lie, all 3 and they think that a lot of the country folks in rural America are just to stupid to see it. Well we're not, at least the ones I know are not. Sure there are a few that believe Obama is Muslim, he's not and there are those that believe Hillary really cares about the country and not her own self interest, she doesn't. And there are those that believe McCain will actually secure the boarders and be a good conservative, he won't and there are still more people that actually believe the people in congress are really going to clean things up and make the country better ... that's laughable.
But as far as racism goes, if there is NOT nation wide racism and not just in the south or rural America then why does Obama get nearly 90-100% of the black vote regardless for the city or state? Is it that he is the best canidate? Or is it something else? I'm guessing the latter.
As I've said, I don't know anyone that voted for Obama and I don't know anyone that didn't because he black and the folks I know would say so openly if that was the reason. They didn't vote for him because he is inexperienced, naive, a poor judge of character, and his story changes with the wind ... but he did say his campaign was about change, just didn't say it was his position and stories that were the change. I HOPE he can find the truth.
Hillary's pretty much out, but at least she did spend time in KY. I don't trust her any further than I can throw her, but she's a known evil. McCain, well what can I say I'd rather have a veteran that I agree with about 40% of the time than someone I agree with 0% of the time.
Well I got off topic while I was clinging to my guns and bibles, but point is I just get sick and tired of seeing people that know so little about KY and have likely never even been here trash our state, is KY perfect, no ... but no place is perfect. However I'd rather have my glass half full than half empty.
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Old 06-02-2008, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Metropolis IL
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Originally Posted by Davart View Post
Nobody is sugar coating anything I find a bucket of negative out any state/commonwealth, it's not just KY or WV or TN or any of the classically rural states that have their negatives. I'd like to see someone in NY or CA go off and leave their doors unlocked or their keys in their truck ... I can and not worry about it because I know no one is going to mess with anything.
To be fair I don't have much use for Hillary McBama (that's all 3) but Obama stated that Hillary won KY because Arkansas is closer to KY than his home state ... excuse me??!! Since when Mr. Harvard grad? This ole uneducated redneck, clinging to my guns and bible knows that IL actually boarders KY and AR doesn't, I didn't even go to Harvard (good thing or I'd be clueless on geography) I also know there us only 50 states and not 58, as Obama stated. I also know Germany and Japan were small countries, so what's you're point about Iran, Cuba and North Korea being small and posing no threat, tell that to the 100 million that died in WWII about no threat from a small country. I can tell the difference between a 8 year old girl reading poetry on a airstrip and sniper fire, Hillary. (don't worry she has a lot more lies no need to list them all here) All of them lie, all 3 and they think that a lot of the country folks in rural America are just to stupid to see it. Well we're not, at least the ones I know are not. Sure there are a few that believe Obama is Muslim, he's not and there are those that believe Hillary really cares about the country and not her own self interest, she doesn't. And there are those that believe McCain will actually secure the boarders and be a good conservative, he won't and there are still more people that actually believe the people in congress are really going to clean things up and make the country better ... that's laughable.
But as far as racism goes, if there is NOT nation wide racism and not just in the south or rural America then why does Obama get nearly 90-100% of the black vote regardless for the city or state? Is it that he is the best canidate? Or is it something else? I'm guessing the latter.
As I've said, I don't know anyone that voted for Obama and I don't know anyone that didn't because he black and the folks I know would say so openly if that was the reason. They didn't vote for him because he is inexperienced, naive, a poor judge of character, and his story changes with the wind ... but he did say his campaign was about change, just didn't say it was his position and stories that were the change. I HOPE he can find the truth.
Hillary's pretty much out, but at least she did spend time in KY. I don't trust her any further than I can throw her, but she's a known evil. McCain, well what can I say I'd rather have a veteran that I agree with about 40% of the time than someone I agree with 0% of the time.
Well I got off topic while I was clinging to my guns and bibles, but point is I just get sick and tired of seeing people that know so little about KY and have likely never even been here trash our state, is KY perfect, no ... but no place is perfect. However I'd rather have my glass half full than half empty.
Well said. Obama is typical of many Chicago elitist. Total geographic illiterates when it comes to the rest of the state, and it's southern neighbors. We have experienced him back when he ran for Senator. He campaigned briefly in Cairo, promised them the world, then left to never be seen again south of Chicago. He's a snake oil salesman and motivational speaker. He didn't solve any problems in IL, and he won't on a national basis either.
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Old 06-02-2008, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Originally Posted by Davart View Post
Nobody is sugar coating anything I find a bucket of negative out any state/commonwealth, it's not just KY or WV or TN or any of the classically rural states that have their negatives. I'd like to see someone in NY or CA go off and leave their doors unlocked or their keys in their truck ... I can and not worry about it because I know no one is going to mess with anything.
To be fair I don't have much use for Hillary McBama (that's all 3) but Obama stated that Hillary won KY because Arkansas is closer to KY than his home state ... excuse me??!! Since when Mr. Harvard grad? This ole uneducated redneck, clinging to my guns and bible knows that IL actually boarders KY and AR doesn't, I didn't even go to Harvard (good thing or I'd be clueless on geography) I also know there us only 50 states and not 58, as Obama stated. I also know Germany and Japan were small countries, so what's you're point about Iran, Cuba and North Korea being small and posing no threat, tell that to the 100 million that died in WWII about no threat from a small country. I can tell the difference between a 8 year old girl reading poetry on a airstrip and sniper fire, Hillary. (don't worry she has a lot more lies no need to list them all here) All of them lie, all 3 and they think that a lot of the country folks in rural America are just to stupid to see it. Well we're not, at least the ones I know are not. Sure there are a few that believe Obama is Muslim, he's not and there are those that believe Hillary really cares about the country and not her own self interest, she doesn't. And there are those that believe McCain will actually secure the boarders and be a good conservative, he won't and there are still more people that actually believe the people in congress are really going to clean things up and make the country better ... that's laughable.
But as far as racism goes, if there is NOT nation wide racism and not just in the south or rural America then why does Obama get nearly 90-100% of the black vote regardless for the city or state? Is it that he is the best canidate? Or is it something else? I'm guessing the latter.
As I've said, I don't know anyone that voted for Obama and I don't know anyone that didn't because he black and the folks I know would say so openly if that was the reason. They didn't vote for him because he is inexperienced, naive, a poor judge of character, and his story changes with the wind ... but he did say his campaign was about change, just didn't say it was his position and stories that were the change. I HOPE he can find the truth.
Hillary's pretty much out, but at least she did spend time in KY. I don't trust her any further than I can throw her, but she's a known evil. McCain, well what can I say I'd rather have a veteran that I agree with about 40% of the time than someone I agree with 0% of the time.
Well I got off topic while I was clinging to my guns and bibles, but point is I just get sick and tired of seeing people that know so little about KY and have likely never even been here trash our state, is KY perfect, no ... but no place is perfect. However I'd rather have my glass half full than half empty.
Well put. Unfortunately for me, this is my first election as I turn 18 in October and I really don't care for any of the 3, but at least I can agree with McCain some of the time.
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Old 06-02-2008, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Louisville, Kentucky
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I think he won in Louisville. I do realize that racism exists all over the nation and more in some demographics than others, but have you read some of things posted about Kentucky and the people of Kentucky? Very hate filled rhetoric that is just as stereotypical as someone that is a racist.
I think it's pretty well established that Louisville is more progressive when it comes to accepting minorities or gays, for example. The fact that Obama won in Louisville does not minimize what happened to him out in the state and why. And let's all face it, we all know one reason -- not the only reason, but one reason -- he was beaten so badly out in the state. And it wasn't political positions of the candidates since there isn't a nickels worth of difference between Hillary and Obama on that score. So if their political positions are almost identical, why did the white candidate blow out the black candidate? All things being equal, it should have been close to 50/50 but instead it was a blowout. I think deep down we all know the answer why.

However, I certainly agree with you that the stereotypical slamming of Kentucky is just as distasteful. Unfortunately, we gave them a lot of ammunition. But I agree it stung and may have been a little overboard.

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This ole uneducated redneck, clinging to my guns and bible knows that IL actually boarders KY and AR doesn't, I didn't even go to Harvard (good thing or I'd be clueless on geography)
I think Kentucky has much more in common with Arkansas than it does Illinois, so the comparison is valid to me. I also note the last time Kentucky went for a Democrat was when Bill Clinton (of Arkansas) carried the state.

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I also know there us only 50 states and not 58, as Obama stated.
Every single candidate who has ever run for office has had a slip of the tongue, like McCain confusing Sunni with Shiite, for example. I'm not ready to select a President of the United States based on verbal miscues. Heck, one of my goals in life is to just make it through one day without making a mistake. (And I'm trying to ignore the delicious irony of your own verbal miscue -- it was 57 states he said, not 58. He meant to say 47 and said 57. I hardly think that disqualifies him for public office, do you?)

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But as far as racism goes, if there is NOT nation wide racism and not just in the south or rural America then why does Obama get nearly 90-100% of the black vote regardless for the city or state? Is it that he is the best canidate? Or is it something else? I'm guessing the latter.
It's my opinion that there is a difference between some white voters who will never vote for a black candidate, no matter how qualified, and black voters who have consistently voted for white candidates in the past and are now voting for who they perceive to be a qualified black candidate. The former group will never vote for the other race while the latter group will and has.

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As I've said, I don't know anyone that voted for Obama...
To me, that speaks volumes.

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..he is inexperienced, naive, a poor judge of character, and his story changes with the wind ... I don't trust her any further than I can throw her, but she's a known evil. McCain, well what can I say I'd rather have a veteran that I agree with about 40% of the time than someone I agree with 0% of the time...
Honestly, I mean no offense, but your post appears to be filled with anger to me. It almost proves exactly what our critics are saying about us. I apologize if that sounds harsh, but that's how I see it.

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is KY perfect, no ... but no place is perfect. However I'd rather have my glass half full than half empty
I agree completely on both points. But if the glass is half empty, I don't think we should object when someone points out that it's half empty. I think we should take a long, hard look at ourselves and see if we can't get the glass closer to the top for the sake of our children. Until we admit the half empty problems this state has, we're going to stay half empty.

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Old 06-02-2008, 07:46 PM
 
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Yes, racism exist in all states, but 20% of the exit polls ADMITTED to not voting to Obama because he's black. At least in the rest of the country they had the sense to lie about it.


Obviously, I don't think EVERYONE in KY is racist, but it is a problem and people are more vocal about it than other parts of the country.
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Old 06-02-2008, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Far Western KY
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However, I certainly agree with you that the stereotypical slamming of Kentucky is just as distasteful. Unfortunately, we gave them a lot of ammunition. But I agree it stung and may have been a little overboard.
Such as?

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I think Kentucky has much more in common with Arkansas than it does Illinois, so the comparison is valid to me. I also note the last time Kentucky went for a Democrat was when Bill Clinton (of Arkansas) carried the state.
Southern IL and Western KY are very much a like, there is more to IL than Chicago.

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Every single candidate who has ever run for office has had a slip of the tongue, like McCain confusing Sunni with Shiite, for example. I'm not ready to select a President of the United States based on verbal miscues. Heck, one of my goals in life is to just make it through one day without making a mistake. (And I'm trying to ignore the delicious irony of your own verbal miscue -- it was 57 states he said, not 58. He meant to say 47 and said 57. I hardly think that disqualifies him for public office, do you?)
He said he had been to 57 state with 1 more to go to, that's 58 any way you count it. I don't care how tired you get you don't forget how many states there are.

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It's my opinion that there is a difference between some white voters who will never vote for a black candidate, no matter how qualified, and black voters who have consistently voted for white candidates in the past and are now voting for who they perceive to be a qualified black candidate. The former group will never vote for the other race while the latter group will and has.
True but that is not limited to KY.

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To me, that speaks volumes.
Include the rest of the quote please, don't take it out of context.

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Honestly, I mean no offense, but your post appears to be filled with anger to me. It almost proves exactly what our critics are saying about us. I apologize if that sounds harsh, but that's how I see it.
I'm mad? No, I speak the truth. What experience does he have? You want to hear anger listen to Obama's church and his wife. I'm no where near angry, I am disgusted we do not have a decent canidate running in any party and congress is out of touch and it you don't get a little upset about that then I don't know what to tell you.

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I agree completely on both points. But if the glass is half empty, I don't think we should object when someone points out that it's half empty. I think we should take a long, hard look at ourselves and see if we can't get the glass closer to the top for the sake of our children. Until we admit the half empty problems this state has, we're going to stay half empty.
Nope the glass is half full, I'm not a pessimist, I'm a optimist.
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Old 06-02-2008, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Far Western KY
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Yes, racism exist in all states, but 20% of the exit polls ADMITTED to not voting to Obama because he's black. At least in the rest of the country they had the sense to lie about it.


Obviously, I don't think EVERYONE in KY is racist, but it is a problem and people are more vocal about it than other parts of the country.
20% is not a majority and I'm glad we're vocal, more people should be on all subject. This country has gotten soft and afraid to say what they think in fear of offending someone, well you can't offend anyone, they can only let themselves be offended.

How are you to solve problems if you don't know what they are?
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Old 06-02-2008, 07:53 PM
 
Location: USA
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Default I like Kentucky

Visited, sight seen, I know quite a few Kentuckians. I don't know any of the bad ones (all states have this type person). Maybe I come off as a namby pambly, but I am being honest- Kentucky has pretty scenery, good people, good weather, what's not to like? Ky has its problems I'm sure and many similar to my home state Louisiana (Hi Cuz!), but I never saw anything wrong with Kentucky. Maybe I don't know as much as some others but I'm not going to judge the state by what others may think.
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:26 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Well Obama is about as well qualified as ole Abe Lincoln was, maybe more. Lincoln did a pretty good job. (Oh, I know there are people who'd disagree on Lincoln, mostly the same kind of people who won't vote for Obama because he's Black.)
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Pikeville, Ky.
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Sadly to say, most of the Ky bashing in this forum comes from Kentuckians bashing the East Kentucky good folks..All I have to do is make a post about my town or area and the bashers come out of the woodworkHow can we expect other states to see us if we show so much hate about one of the areas of this great, beautiful state? As I have said before, I love all of Kentucky, and would never judge any area or town by my own misfortunes or by what I have heard from others..I look for the good in all of us, and most of us are plain hard working people like people all over this state..There are bad people everywhere, who seem to get the limelight, because it makes better news nowadays..
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