How "red" is KY? (Clinton: unemployment, taxes, living)

[dixiegirl7]

Originally Posted by Jamie40829

Yes thats true, but over the course of the past 8 years Kentucky as a whole has rose from an average of around 4 percent to around 6 percent. Thats a big shift.

That is a nationwide trend and not just true for Kentucky. Unemployment nationwide is 5.7.

[Davart]

Originally Posted by Jamie40829

I cant see how this state could vote for a republican again after what has happened to the economy the past 7 years..... the last I checked we were number 10 in highest unemployment? Has that changed any? But yeah it will go red again this fall I would guess.

I don't see how this state could vote Democrat after the actions of our illustrious Governor Steve.

Cut educational funding, lay off teacher and freeing and pardon felons just in time for the election. Freezing projects already under way ... I don't think Ernie was all that, but Beshear really hasn't been a improvement.

But maybe if we just all air up our tires everything will be ok.

[InLondon]

Fletcher was the best Governor we've had in a long time. But the majority of the state decided to vote for Beshear for some odd reason.

[censusdata]

Originally Posted by InLondon

Fletcher was the best Governor we've had in a long time

... especially for Louisville, both the city and university. He single-handedly spearheaded the arena project. As many press conferences and check hand outs as he did at the Speed School (even things not U of L related like the Peabody deal) you would think he was the head of the U of L alumni assoc., not a UK alum.

If he would have been more up front about the ethics stuff and not pardoned all those people I think he would have won. I know the KY RP doesn't like that she ran a primary against Fletcher, but I'd like to see Northup run against an unpopular Beshear in 2012

[Jamie40829]

What exactly did Fletcher do that was so great? Enlighten me
um the spending practices of Fletchers administration coupled with the economic policies of the Cheney whitehouse has really put our state in a bad shape!

[sandman1]

Originally Posted by Jamie40829

What exactly did Fletcher do that was so great? Enlighten me
um the spending practices of Fletchers administration coupled with the economic policies of the Cheney whitehouse has really put our state in a bad shape!

If he did nothing else than get rid of the "it's that friendly" license plate with the sun and smiley face that is enough. I was embarrassed to have that on my car. I am curious what spending practices of Fletcher caused our state to be in bad shape in your opinion? I really hated that economic policy that gave me 1200 dollars.....Bush let spending get out of control but last I heard the democrats in congree led by Nancy P left for vacation without a fix to the energy problem. The day Bush lifted the executive ban on offshore drilling oil went down five dollars and has continued to drop ever since....the only thing stopping things now are the democrats that refuse to lift the ban even when 75 percent of the country now wants drilling again....I bet in that 75 percent are a few democrats. They aren't even listening to their constituents. But lets get national healthcare since it works so well in Canada and Europe. Why is it all that can afford to do so come to the U.S.A. for their medical care? Get ready for months on waiting lists for surgeries and appointments and healthcare to take a turn for the worst. Physicians will not make as much money and be bogged down with red tape and as a result those that used to go to medical school will do other things more lucrative for themselves. Who would go through all of that training to earn maybe half as much as they used to be able to. Bad idea. Would you like some sweet tea?

[Reinheitsgebot]

Wow sandman1, you sound really educated about all of this. Or do you sound just like a Fox News propaganda rant...
Either way, I doubt you have ever even traveled to Europe (a continent, not a country by the way) or experienced health care from any source outside of this country. I've been treated in Canada (a dentist) and Germany (ER & a hospital stay) and the care I received was on par with anything I've experienced in the USA and much better than most of the VA or military medical practitioners I've dealt with. There were no waiting lines or people dying without treatment. My experiences are directly with Germany and not with "Europe" so maybe that's why it differs from your vision. Also, I have in-laws there and have witnessed their care as well. The only hospitals I've witnessed a long wait for surgeries and primary care, were right here in the USA.
I find it unsettling you would cheer a $1200 tax stimulus check, but not want the uninsured in your community to have access to health care. Are you a Physician? You seem to have great insight into why people go to medical school. Do you know the enrollment figures for medical schools in "Europe" because obviously no one would become a physician there right?

[sandman1]

Originally Posted by Reinheitsgebot

Wow sandman1, you sound really educated about all of this. Or do you sound just like a Fox News propaganda rant...
Either way, I doubt you have ever even traveled to Europe (a continent, not a country by the way) or experienced health care from any source outside of this country. I've been treated in Canada (a dentist) and Germany (ER & a hospital stay) and the care I received was on par with anything I've experienced in the USA and much better than most of the VA or military medical practitioners I've dealt with. There were no waiting lines or people dying without treatment. My experiences are directly with Germany and not with "Europe" so maybe that's why it differs from your vision. Also, I have in-laws there and have witnessed their care as well. The only hospitals I've witnessed a long wait for surgeries and primary care, were right here in the USA.
I find it unsettling you would cheer a $1200 tax stimulus check, but not want the uninsured in your community to have access to health care. Are you a Physician? You seem to have great insight into why people go to medical school. Do you know the enrollment figures for medical schools in "Europe" because obviously no one would become a physician there right?

First off I am a physician so I think i may have more insight than you previously thought that I did. I have traveled all througout Europe (I don't know why you thought I thought it was a country) in college and then three more times while in medical school so I think I can speak about that as well. Let me start off by saying that while you may not like to hear it the truth is money is a major pull for physicians when choosing the profession. What sence does it make to go through all of that training and residency, pay over 120,000 in costs and then recieve a normal salary. People certainly have to have a passion for medicine and want to help people but if I just wanted to help people I would volunteer for habitat for humanity. With that said national healthcare will have a HUGE impact on the healthcare in this country and it won't be seen now but fifteen to twenty years from now when people just don't see the point in trying to become doctors. They will still make a good living but not for the time, red tape and hassle it will be to try and treat patients. The VA is a perfect example of how the govt can screw up a hospital. In my residency anytime I treated a patient I felt like I had on handcuffs...there was only so much I could do or certain things I could get treated without fighting an endless amount of redtape for the simplist things. The VA's are not up to snuff here and that is a shame. Don't even get me started on VA nurses. In my medical school class alone were 7 canadians who came here and don't plan on going back because of the mess it is up there. It is more lucrative for them to be here and they aren't hamstrung on what they can do. My father is the vice president of a medical sales company that makes pretty much anything that goes into a hospital that deals with the heart (ekg, cathlab, etc) and they cannot stand Canada's system. They hospitals need this equiptment with newer technology but it takes six to ten months just to process the paperwork through the govt to even get the ball rolling. How about Taxes. You traveled all over europe as well...did you ask anyone how they fell about how much they are taxed to pay for their healthcare....47-51 percent depending on the country. Just google France and taxes and enjoy. Kiss half of your income goodbye. The bottom line is just take a look at pretty much anything other than the military that the govt runs....you can't even go to a dmv without having an ulcer. Now picture that on a scale as grand as your health and that of the nations and imagine the cluster that would be. We have the greatest healthcare system in the world for a reason and while you say you had great care in germany and europe physicians from either will admit just what I have said. You never answered why the ones who can afford it still come to America for their medical treatment even though it is free where they are from. The 1200 was just me joking around but it was still nice. Would you like some sweet tea?

[Jamie40829]

lmao of course a doctor is going to be republican America is goin down hill fast and if we dont get the party whom takes care of their own ( being the extremely wealthy ) out of office we are going to hell in a handbasket.

[EclecticEars]

Originally Posted by sandman1

First off I am a physician so I think i may have more insight than you previously thought that I did. I have traveled all througout Europe (I don't know why you thought I thought it was a country) in college and then three more times while in medical school so I think I can speak about that as well. Let me start off by saying that while you may not like to hear it the truth is money is a major pull for physicians when choosing the profession. What sence does it make to go through all of that training and residency, pay over 120,000 in costs and then recieve a normal salary. People certainly have to have a passion for medicine and want to help people but if I just wanted to help people I would volunteer for habitat for humanity. With that said national healthcare will have a HUGE impact on the healthcare in this country and it won't be seen now but fifteen to twenty years from now when people just don't see the point in trying to become doctors. They will still make a good living but not for the time, red tape and hassle it will be to try and treat patients. The VA is a perfect example of how the govt can screw up a hospital. In my residency anytime I treated a patient I felt like I had on handcuffs...there was only so much I could do or certain things I could get treated without fighting an endless amount of redtape for the simplist things. The VA's are not up to snuff here and that is a shame. Don't even get me started on VA nurses. In my medical school class alone were 7 canadians who came here and don't plan on going back because of the mess it is up there. It is more lucrative for them to be here and they aren't hamstrung on what they can do. My father is the vice president of a medical sales company that makes pretty much anything that goes into a hospital that deals with the heart (ekg, cathlab, etc) and they cannot stand Canada's system. They hospitals need this equiptment with newer technology but it takes six to ten months just to process the paperwork through the govt to even get the ball rolling. How about Taxes. You traveled all over europe as well...did you ask anyone how they fell about how much they are taxed to pay for their healthcare....47-51 percent depending on the country. Just google France and taxes and enjoy. Kiss half of your income goodbye. The bottom line is just take a look at pretty much anything other than the military that the govt runs....you can't even go to a dmv without having an ulcer. Now picture that on a scale as grand as your health and that of the nations and imagine the cluster that would be. We have the greatest healthcare system in the world for a reason and while you say you had great care in germany and europe physicians from either will admit just what I have said. You never answered why the ones who can afford it still come to America for their medical treatment even though it is free where they are from. The 1200 was just me joking around but it was still nice. Would you like some sweet tea?

A person WITH SENSE! My opinion is spot on with yours.

God, I'm scared out of my wits to see what will become of this country in such a short time with a Democratic Congress and anti-American Barack (if he gets elected.) We can really start kissing the "progressives" in Canada, Britain, France, and Japan then.