Should UK stop playing one annual game in Louisville? (Lexington: 2010, schools)

[censusdata]

Percent wise it's a pretty big difference. 10% of Lexington's population is UK students, another 12% or so are alumni.

I wouldn't be surprised if more UK alums are not returning to Louisville - as I've said I personally know dozens of people from Louisville who went to UK and never returned. I've only met a couple of UK alums in Louisville myself. It's probably the main reason Louisville used to 80% UK and is now only 40-50% UK (in terms of fan support)

[stx12499]

Originally Posted by censusdata

Percent wise it's a pretty big difference. 10% of Lexington's population is UK students, another 12% or so are alumni.

I wouldn't be surprised if more UK alums are not returning to Louisville - as I've said I personally know dozens of people from Louisville who went to UK and never returned. I've only met a couple of UK alums in Louisville myself. It's probably the main reason Louisville used to 80% UK and is now only 40-50% UK (in terms of fan support)

Percent wise its different yes, but thats only because Louisville is so much bigger. Compare 710k city (and may get adjusted up) to 260k city and 1.22 million metro to 450k metro. So yes, percent wise, there are a larger percentage of UK alums in Lexington, but as an absolute number, Louisville has just as many UK alums as Lexington. Also realize Louisville sees more domestic in migration from Fayette County than any other US county and Fayette remains Jefferson Countys largest net exporter of people with bachelor's degrees!

[censusdata]

I'd like to see more hard data that Louisville is draining Lexington of people with college degrees - my personal experience is the opposite. Of the people I know maybe 3 UK alums in Louisville compared to many dozens who went to U of L and a good number from WKU. As stated I know dozens of people in Lexington who are from Louisville then went to UK and stayed in Lexington.

I do think we agree that if UK continues playing in Louisville it should be at the Downtown Arena when it is completed. We need every event possible to pay that $300 million thing off, plus it helps businesses downtown. I'm sure Cracker Barrel and Burger King won't be happy, though

[stx12499]

Originally Posted by censusdata

I'd like to see more hard data that Louisville is draining Lexington of people with college degrees - my personal experience is the opposite. Of the people I know maybe 3 UK alums in Louisville compared to many dozens who went to U of L and a good number from WKU. As stated I know dozens of people in Lexington who are from Louisville then went to UK and stayed in Lexington.

I do think we agree that if UK continues playing in Louisville it should be at the Downtown Arena when it is completed. We need every event possible to pay that $300 million thing off, plus it helps businesses downtown. I'm sure Cracker Barrel and Burger King won't be happy, though

http://ksdc.louisville.edu/kpr/migra...es_Sept_05.pdf

This study proves Louisville gains a net positive influx of residents from Lex, and many of them have degrees (see page 14). The census only tracks population, not domestic in MIGRATION, so this is the best picture we have of area migration flows.

[bw87a]

yeah, there is NO WAY that lexington drains degreed louisville residents. the metro area population is just so much bigger that such a huge percentage of louisville residents would need to leave for that to happen. but yes, the data is great!

[bw87a]

Just a quote from the above link:

Louisville’s ties to Lexington were especially strong. Flows to and from
Lexington in sum have been nearly twice the size of those between
Louisville and any other metro area. Lexington was Louisville’s
primary “net supplier” of persons with bachelors, graduate, and
professional degrees as well as workers employed in professional occupations. While Louisville sent more of its college students to
Lexington to go to school than to any other metro area, Louisville
received more college students from Lexington than from anyplace
else.

[censusdata]

If Lexington isn't draining Louisville of college educated people then why is Lex's metro area so much more educated than Lou's?

Percent with a bachelor's degree in 2000

Fayette 35.6
Jessamine 21.5
Woodford 25.9
Scott 20.3
Bourban 13.5
Clark 15.6
Madison 21.8
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Ave: 22.02%

Jefferson 24.8
Oldham 30.6
Shelby 18.7
Spencer 11.1
Bullitt 9.2
Floyd 20.4
Clark 14.3
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Ave: 18.44%

[stx12499]

Originally Posted by censusdata

If Lexington isn't draining Louisville of college educated people then why is Lex's metro area so much more educated than Lou's?

Percent with a bachelor's degree in 2000

Fayette 35.6
Jessamine 21.5
Woodford 25.9
Scott 20.3
Bourban 13.5
Clark 15.6
Madison 21.8
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Ave: 22.02%

Jefferson 24.8
Oldham 30.6
Shelby 18.7
Spencer 11.1
Bullitt 9.2
Floyd 20.4
Clark 14.3
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Ave: 18.44%

census, I wouldn't call that "so much more educated." The metro averages are not far off. Lexington is a MUCH smaller city with less impoverished areas. As an absolute number, Louisville has tens of thousands more college educated than Lexington. Lexington has what you call the "college town phenomenon." Because it has been mostly a college town before being a city, the high degree of people with Bachelors are largely people from out in the state who move to Lexington, get educated, and then stay. They are certainly not folks from Louisville as evidenced by that study.

[censusdata]

With all due respect the population differences you state btw Lou and Lex are pretty exaggerated. Louisville's Metro Area includes far out rural counties like Henry, Harrison, Meade, and Nelson while Lexington's doesn't include fast growing counties with strong ties to the city like Madison, Montgomery, Garrard, and Boyle.

There are 700,000 people within 35 miles of Downtown Lexington, there are 1,300,000 within 35 miles of Downtown Louisville. That's a significant difference, but it's not like comparing Atlanta and Athens GA like some people seem to think. If Louisvillians continue pouring in millions of dollars annually into Lexington through UK sports that margin will continue to shrink.

[stx12499]

Originally Posted by censusdata

With all due respect the population differences you state btw Lou and Lex are pretty exaggerated. Louisville's Metro Area includes far out rural counties like Henry, Harrison, Meade, and Nelson while Lexington's doesn't include fast growing counties with strong ties to the city like Madison, Montgomery, Garrard, and Boyle.

There are 700,000 people within 35 miles of Downtown Lexington, there are 1,300,000 within 35 miles of Downtown Louisville. That's a significant difference, but it's not like comparing Atlanta and Athens GA like some people seem to think. If Louisvillians continue pouring in millions of dollars annually into Lexington through UK sports that margin will continue to shrink.

Come on...... you can say that about any city. Atlanta's metro has far out rural areas 50 miles from downtown counted in the metro! You can be from Louisville to Frankfort in that mileage. How come Frankfort is counted with Lexington and not Louisville? The census counts things the best way we know how, and we know its not always accurate. In fact, a recent article showed Louisville's mayor is fighting to show there are over 750k people in Jefferson County now!

You are not using proper logic. Lexington is at least 2.5 times smaller than Louisville using any population definition and it feels that way. You don't see Louisvillians starting pissing matches with cities almost three times their size do you?

For example, KC is almost twice as large as Louisville but the land area of their CSA is also twice as large. Does that mean I should go into a KC forum and say Louisville and Kansas City are basically the same size? Smaller cities have smaller spheres of influence.

File:US Combined Statistical Areas.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


If you want a better way to compare effective populations of an area, look at urban areas, which is defined as contigious census tracks of 1,000 people per square mile. When viewed like this, look how small Lexington is compared to surrounding cities.....

The National Atlas of the United States of America

In reality, Lexington is not much larger or more dense that Louisville's Southern Indiana suburbs.


USA Urbanized Areas: 2000 Ranked by Population(465 Areas)

Urbanized Area Population Rank
Louisville, KY--IN 863,582 44
Lexington-Fayette, KY 250,994 126

Urban area "cuts out" the largely rural areas. What you aren't understanding is it is the rural areas and surrounding commuter towns (like Versailles and Nicholasville) that raise Lexington's MSA to as high as it is. Effectively, Louisville is a substantially larger city than Lexington in every way, shape or form (note larger doesn't always mean better, and this is where opinion comes in). You keep on comparing Louisville and Lexington but comparing them is as silly as me comparing Louisville to Seattle.