Smoking Bans

[tibor75]

Originally Posted by Cav Scout wife

This might not prohibit one of your vices today, but what will be banned tomorrow, or the next day, or in a week?

Sooner or later if you give up your liberties for the greater good, you won't have liberty or good.

IMO, this is more than smoking, this is our opinions, our rights, our decisions, our liberties one by one being taken away. Hell, I'm 32 (33 in a few months) and even I can tell how much things have changed (IMO for the WORSE) since I can remember; I can see the patterns starting to forn on the things we used to have, and now don't."

I can't stop laughing when I read hysterical comments like this.

please tell me all the rights that have been stripped away. Can you actually name even one?

Whiny smokers need to read the Constitution instead of making up nonexistant rights.

[Cav Scout wife]

Originally Posted by tibor75

I can't stop laughing when I read hysterical comments like this.

please tell me all the rights that have been stripped away. Can you actually name even one?

Whiny smokers need to read the Constitution instead of making up nonexistant rights.

Right to privacy.

Right to non legal search and seizure without cause, to start.

Right to bear arms, not just certain types.

Right to free speech.

Who even said I was a smoker? Assume much do you?

[YAZ]

I'm a smoker.

It's sad that we have to "regulate" behavior because of a some folks' lack of consideration and courtesy. Just as I won't "light up" at will when I'm in someone's home, I won't do it in a public place either.

Of course, we can't out here in AZ...not even in a bar.

No smoking in ANY workplace is the state law.

There are some exceptions, like an outdoor seating area at some restaurants.

There is a little town in New Mexico called "Old Mesilla" that has a smoking ban outside. Nope, can't smoke ANYWHERE while in the village limits.

[kentuckydad95]

I am a non-smoker and I hate seeing smoke blowing around in my favorite restaurant. I used to be 100% for a smoking ban, but I am starting to lean towards a happy medium. I am for a closed-off section of the restaurant completely away from the non-smoking area. Put in exhaust fans and the only workers who should be in there are one's who volunteer to work in there and/or are smokers themselves. Non smoking bars and casino's are completely dumb in my mind and should be excluded. The one thing, in my opinion, that should be addressed are people who love to smoke near the front doors of a restaurant, building, etc. I don't want to have to smell that s--t or hold my breath to walk into a building. Step out 25 yards and smoke there. You don't have to hug the doors. There is a happy medium, the problem is we will never see it.

[marleneb]

That is NOT what big pharma wants!
This "non" profit foundation, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, paid 99 million dollars in grants to the ACS, ALA and AHA for smoking bans: http://www.rwjf.org/files/publications/books/2005/chapter_01.pdf (pg. 5 shows the $99,000,000 grant to the AMA and http://www.rwjf.org/files/publications/books/2005/chapter_02.pdf shows how the AMA doled it out to the ACS, ALA and AHA for tobacco "control") Only providing tobacco education got grant money taken away from grantees. The RWJF wanted tobacco "control" (aka BANS). Why? Take Ohio, for example.
RWJF, in 2006 when Ohio's ban was bought and paid for by RWJF via the ACS/SmokeFree Ohio, RWJF owned 55,983,308 shares of Johnson & Johnson stock valued at $3,696,018,000. http://www.rwjf.org/files/publications/annual/2007/notes-investments.html
RWJF was created by the founder of J&J.
J&J owns Nicorette
3 studies have proven that these products:
1) only have a 1.6% success rate for quitting smoking 1 year http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/338/apr02_3/b1024 Yes-that's a 98.4% FAILURE rate (however it is interesting to read the authors of this study laud this rate as a success compared to the placebo-and the authors are tied to Big Pharma)
2) the gum and lozenges, in a study, are now linked to possible oral cancer http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6143744.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797084
3) 80% of the kids who attempted to buy NRT products were successful at doing so http://news.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news-2/Minors-able-to-buy-nicotine-replacement-therapy-products-3997-1/ (maybe it was the candy flavors of the gum that the anti smoking cartel uses against the tobacco companies that enticed the underaged)
Here's one more question. Why are they having such a fit over dissolvable tobacco and the electronic cigarette? ANSWER: because Big pHARMa isn't profiting from them. Remember, this is all supposedly about the fictitious secondhand smoke? Dissolvable and electronic tobacco wouldn't harm anyone by secondhand anything. And yet any nicotine not purchased by Big pHARMa is forbidden.
Now do you see what this is all really about?
Money for Big pHARMa and the non-profits. NO money for the bars, restaurants and private clubs that are closing. More and more people are discovering the truth behind this social engineering they call "denormalizing" our behaviors.

It's a win-win for these health nazis. Papers reported 1,000,000 boxes of NRT sold January, 2008. They get to profit and push their social engineering. They opted for smoking bans first to close as many bars as they could so that when they push the alcohol bans, less opposition. They even paid Stanton Glantz over a million dollars to create the website "TobaccoScam" to create the fallacy that Big Tobacco says the bans hurt the hospitality industry. Ask the people who own hospitality businesses!!! Ohio papers reported "More Ohioans are drinking more booze than ever before..and they're doing it at home" http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/taste/entries/2009/01/15/ohioans_drinking_more_liquor_a.html

After alcohol, then sugar, fatty foods, etc. Insurance will be doled out to the "deserving" and those of us who choose their definition of "unhealthy lifestyles" will be the less deserving.

It's all about money, greed and power. It's not going to be pretty when this all blows up. People are starting to see what's going on. Anyone involved is going to be covered in "it".

[YAZ]

Originally Posted by kentuckydad95

I am a non-smoker and I hate seeing smoke blowing around in my favorite restaurant. I used to be 100% for a smoking ban, but I am starting to lean towards a happy medium. I am for a closed-off section of the restaurant completely away from the non-smoking area. Put in exhaust fans and the only workers who should be in there are one's who volunteer to work in there and/or are smokers themselves. Non smoking bars and casino's are completely dumb in my mind and should be excluded. The one thing, in my opinion, that should be addressed are people who love to smoke near the front doors of a restaurant, building, etc. I don't want to have to smell that s--t or hold my breath to walk into a building. Step out 25 yards and smoke there. You don't have to hug the doors. There is a happy medium, the problem is we will never see it.

I agree.

Have some consideration for others. It's not that hard to do...

[kygman]

We got a phone call from the hotel at Kenlake State Park. We have room reservations for our family reunion in a couple months. They told us the hotel is going smoke free. They were checking with everyone with reservations to see if they were smokers. If they needed a smoking room they would arrange accomodations.