Northern Kentucky breaking off from Cincinnati...Finally! (Louisville, London: 2009, condos)

[aquila]

Originally Posted by InLondon

Get used to it because it will be happening more.

Well, how very mature of you. I guess you really ARE demonstrating the true, "gracious" attitude of Kentuckians. I suppose you'd like to rekindle the civil war, too?

Grow up.

[InLondon]

Originally Posted by aquila

Well, how very mature of you. I guess you really ARE demonstrating the true, "gracious" attitude of Kentuckians. I suppose you'd like to rekindle the civil war, too?

Grow up.

The unfortunate thing is, there has always been an attitude from Buckeyes toward Kentuckians. I guess you wouldn't know that however....

[aquila]

Originally Posted by InLondon

The unfortunate thing is, there has always been an attitude from Buckeyes toward Kentuckians. I guess you wouldn't know that however....

I'm not denying there is an attitude on both sides. But you're contributing to it when you come in here and run your mouth.

BTW...London is a nice area. Too bad you can't say Cincinnati is a nice area.

[nkycinty]

Originally Posted by Beavercreek33

I don't see in anyway at all how it is breaking away from Cincinnati. I am sorry, but it was thanks to Cincinnati that we see Newport and Covington where they are today. You can sit there and deny that all you want, but its true. The international airport (where most of the arrivals coming in are going to the Ohio side of the border) is in Kentucy, bringing in huge revenue not only for NKY, but the state. Its a DELTA hub!

Cincinnati has helped out Covington/Newport immensly. It could be in the same postion as E. St. Louis or Camden where St. Louis and Philly have not helped out their border neighbors little if any at all. But Cincinnati has worked side by side with Covington/Newport and made sure they create a powerful economy, a great place to live, and skylines that go from one side of the river to the other.

Covington/Newport have huge says in the Banks Project going on Cincinnati's central riverfront. Many residents from Cincy visit Newport, many people from Kentucky come to downtown Cincy to work at the many fortune 500 companies located downtown, for shopping, entertainment. Many people from NKY go to the new Ikea or Kings Island. Many from Cincinnati go to NKY to get to the airport. Cincinnati also has kind of a "beltway" going on. It goes around Cincinnati's northern suburbs down through NKY.

Whether you like it or not, this is ONE region, and it needs to work together. Because if you don't, the odds do not look good for NKY. Luckily there are smart leaders in Cincinnati/NKY metro making sure things get worked out. If not, just look at E. St. Louis, Camden, West Memphis, or even Gary.

They are not breaking off at all, they are growing and prospering together.

Well said.

[EclecticEars]

Originally Posted by RuralGuy

Nobody can deny that NKY is inexorably linked to Cincinnati economically. But it’s not a parasite feeding off the Ohio side of the river. There’s plenty of industry in NKY, and quite a few Ohioans come here to work, just as Kentuckians find job opportunities in Ohio. And let’s not forget that nearly a quarter of the region’s population is in NKY.

I think the post above reflects the nature of the relationship between Northern Kentucky and Cincinnati better than any other in this thread, the bolded portion in particular. I’ve lived in this area for nearly 30 years, and this is the attitude I’ve seen from the majority of Ohioans I’ve met (particularly Cincinnati natives). If it weren’t for the airport being over here, they’d probably never cross the river. Oh sure, a few adventurous souls might penetrate as far as some of the dining or entertainment venues in Newport or Covington, where a short dash over the river is all it takes to have them safely back in the Buckeye State. But for many more, there’s some sort of redneck stigma or something that they associate with Kentucky that makes a trip over the river unappealing.

Every job I’ve ever had since I graduated from college twenty years ago has been in or around Cincinnati, but always on the Ohio side of the river. The vast majority of employees at every place I’ve worked have been Ohioans. During my career, I’ve continually taken crap from coworkers for being from Kentucky (the usual toothless, inbred, lack-of-plumbing type of ribbings). While the comments are usually made in jest and are meant to be good natured, they do tend to get old after awhile. A lot of other people who live in NKY get the same flack and see the same kind of conscending attitude towards our side of the river. And the result is that they end up mirroring the Ohio attitude and avoid going to Cincinnati as much as possible. I don’t take it that far, but I do understand what the basis for their sentiment is.

Unless you’re a long-time resident of NKY, you probably wouldn’t be aware of this underlying mutual distain that works like an invisible barrier running along the Ohio river. Not all residents on either side of the river share this sentiment, but the barrier’s there just the same. And this also why Northern Kentuckians get defensive when people from other parts of Kentucky try to lump them in with Cincinnati. We share much with this city, but most of us take much more pride from being Kentuckians.

Originally Posted by Beavercreek33

I don't see in anyway at all how it is breaking away from Cincinnati. I am sorry, but it was thanks to Cincinnati that we see Newport and Covington where they are today. You can sit there and deny that all you want, but its true. The international airport (where most of the arrivals coming in are going to the Ohio side of the border) is in Kentucy, bringing in huge revenue not only for NKY, but the state. Its a DELTA hub!

Cincinnati has helped out Covington/Newport immensly. It could be in the same postion as E. St. Louis or Camden where St. Louis and Philly have not helped out their border neighbors little if any at all. But Cincinnati has worked side by side with Covington/Newport and made sure they create a powerful economy, a great place to live, and skylines that go from one side of the river to the other.

Covington/Newport have huge says in the Banks Project going on Cincinnati's central riverfront. Many residents from Cincy visit Newport, many people from Kentucky come to downtown Cincy to work at the many fortune 500 companies located downtown, for shopping, entertainment. Many people from NKY go to the new Ikea or Kings Island. Many from Cincinnati go to NKY to get to the airport. Cincinnati also has kind of a "beltway" going on. It goes around Cincinnati's northern suburbs down through NKY.

Whether you like it or not, this is ONE region, and it needs to work together. Because if you don't, the odds do not look good for NKY. Luckily there are smart leaders in Cincinnati/NKY metro making sure things get worked out. If not, just look at E. St. Louis, Camden, West Memphis, or even Gary.

They are not breaking off at all, they are growing and prospering together.

Both very well said and I agree with both posts.

To tie one point together, though, I will say that NKY has not got to where it has today without Cincinnati. It's residential growth is still a result of outpour from Hamilton and Clermont Counties...period. If not for that, then Boone County would still have 40,000 residents like it did in 1980 than the 120,000 or so residents it has today. Kenton Co. wouldn't be adding new people, also. The state of KY hasn't done a whole heck of a lot to help NKY; they focus their efforts on Lexington and points east, so NKY has had to define its own area.

That said, the massive residential growth in Boone County, proximity to Cincinnati, the large airport, and pool of intellectual capital on either side of the river have allowed NKY to take off economically. Today, you could argue that NKY is not parasitical of Cincinnati, but I'm not sure I would have made that same argument 20 years ago. And, to boot, if Cincinnati-Hamilton County gets their act together and starts to add more jobs and diversify their economy more (which they've gotten off to a very good start,) that will only benefit NKY.

So, it's one region, and OH and KY should work together, and I'm confident they will. But while NKY shouldn't declare its "independence," it could be its own self-reliant entity if it had to be.

[blueeyes30]

Although not a part of the Cincinnati metro area, I remember driving across southern Ohio along the Ohio River and stopping in the small towns along the way. I almost forgot I was in Ohio because the people and twangs reminded me so much of the south. It almost seemed like the river wasn't there.

This is off topic obviously, but I wonder if southern Ohioans are treated differently from the people across the river in Kentucky while in Cincinnati or in other parts of Ohio.

We drove up to Athens, OH (which is still southern OH but away from the river) and we pulled into McDonalds to get some coffee. We had Tennessee plates on the car and these guys laughed at us and pointed at our license plates. But other than that, the Ohioans we met were very nice.

[linicx]

I visited both areas.. We have this same type of city/state " my dog is bigger than your dog" pride where I live. I think some of the thinking and coilned phrases are a compbination of statistics and clever media spinsters.

The Cincinnati Primary Metropolitan Statistical Area includes seven KY counties, four Ohio counties and two Indiana counties. How about a nice new catchphrase like "Ken-Oh-Iana" since Kentucy has the greatest number of counties in the Cincy PMSA?

I think it is a crock, but at the same time I know KY and IN resiidents do not pay OH state taxes - and that inspite of the rhetoric each area is unique from the other - and little has to do with population except in the minds of bean counters who have never set foot outside of D.C..

The following explains what it is and and who defines it. It is followed by the original link..

A Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) is not less than one county and most of the area's economic activity is contained within the geographic definition. The Office of Management and Budget defines metropolitan areas.

A Primary Metropolitan Statistical Area (PMSA) meets the definition of an MSA and also has significant economic linkages with an adjoining metropolitan area. The economy is not as "contained" as an MSA, but the linkage is not sufficient enough to join the two areas into one MSA. The Office of Management and Budget defines metropolitan areas.

Cincinnati MSA Counties

[aquila]

Originally Posted by linicx

The Cincinnati Primary Metropolitan Statistical Area includes seven KY counties, four Ohio counties and two Indiana counties. How about a nice new catchphrase like "Ken-Oh-Iana" since Kentucy has the greatest number of counties in the Cincy PMSA?

Probably because the population is concentrated on the Ohio side of the river, with the greatest density in Hamilton County...where Cincinnati is located. Also, the land coverage on the Ohio side is much larger than in KY. It has nothing to do with the number of counties.

[Beavercreek33]

Originally Posted by stx12499

Please don't come on to our forum and call people ignorant. The fact is, unemployment changes monthly, and it is usually lower in KY than OH. The fact is, Ohio having .1% less unemployment than KY for one month does not mean too much, and is probably within the margin of statistical error.

Ohio is in BIG trouble. While KY is not booming like the rest of the south, it sure isn't seeing hundreds of thousands leave the state like Ohio. Population changes don't tell the story like domestic migration patterns. What fascinating results I have for you here:


http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p25-1135.pdf


The domestic out migration from Ohio is staggering. What is migration? Well there is a formal definition, but for practical purposes, it looks at where educated American born people move. Look at how the south is booming....it is only a matter of time before KY starts to benefit more, if only state government starts to become more progressive. This list also shows Cincinnati and Cleveland are not faring as well as you claim. Cincinnati is one of the heaviest losers in the domestic in migration game, and much of that loss is to KY as evidenced by the maps on page 11 and 12 of that report. Despite this, I think Cincy will be ok because it has a diverse economy and it is a kick ass city for urban/architecture lovers like myself. However, if you think the situation in Ohio and Michigan is not on the verge of disaster, then that is your opinion, because the facts say otherwise. There is a joke in Michigan: "the last one left, turn the lights off."

First off, you have had a problem with Ohio from the get go, as well as any other state you feel just doesn't fit your bill. Second off, I said I didn't feel like listening to peoples' ignorance, and thats that. I had a rough day at the office yesterday. Nothing more was meant by it. So don't tell me to not call "our" people. Sorry not going to happen with me... I did nothing, you just feel like putting me down because I hold a much different opinion than you.


Also, Warren and Butler counties are the fastest growing regions in the Cincinnati area. Not NKY. NKY is growing well, but not like Warren County. Also, Cincinnati proper is growing. Last I checked, Louisville proper was not. Cincinnati's metro area is growing just as fast as Louisville. Sorry if I am a few hundredths of a percent off.

If you go back and read my post, Ohio does have a diverse economy. And for the past several months KY's unemployment rate has been higher than Ohio's. Something is happening down in KY.

Ohio is home to several fortune 500 companies. Over 63 compared to KY's 9. That has helped the economy out immensly. Cincinnati and Cleveland have very diverse economies. Cleveland went from a steel making city, to a city on the forefront of the medical field. Home to the world class Cleveland Clinic, and go to Uptown and see all the construction cranes everywhere. Cleveland also has seen its tech center grow by over 26% in the last year.Cleveland and Cincinnati also have lower unemployment rates than Louisville.

Its only a matter of time eh? Kentucky needs to bring in more jobs and diversify more. I know about the out migration, I do not need a lesson on that. But the truth is, Ohio has not see a population decline in any recent census or since the turn of the 21st century.

Once again I will say this. Back in the 80s Ohio realized it needed to change its economy, and it did so by bringing in many new and diverse jobs. And all these new sectors have very promising futures. The wind energy is coming to Toledo, and looks to boom. There are 3 companies already starting up in Toledo.

I know many people from Kentucky that live in Columbus, and many from eastern Kentucky settling in the Mason, Lebanon and the West Chester areas north of Cincinnati.

Michigan is a story that is truly sad. They have no diversification at all. The American car business did good in the 70s and 80s when Ohio and Pennsylvania said good-bye to steel. Now Ohio and Pennsylvania have boosted money towards diversification, top notch university systems, and urban development. Pittsburgh and Cleveland, once smoky steel towns have recently been voted most livable in the U.S. Cleveland was 26th on a world scale.

Michigan is now saying good-bye to American cars, and has had everything from huge factories, to the little guys in Kalamazoo that made glass windows for the cars, go away. Even their tech field which was highly advanced, was revolved around the auto industry. I have watched even more cars traveling down I-75 south from Michigan than ever before, the only differance is, they are staying this time, looking for a job or house. Cincinnati/Dayton has a diverse economy that they could look for a new job, and we are a much more livable area.

I am not bashing Kentucky in anyway. I have a lot of great friends in Louisville, Lexington and Bowling Green. But Kentucky is no shining star either. I am just happy neither state is in some other state's positions, even states down south. If you want to boom like them, go ahead. I will take small growth so we do not see a boom/bust period like they all are. Charlotte is a mess with the banking industry. Cleveland is a huge banking center as well, but luckily the medical field is there to help them out.

Cincinnati and Cleveland both have amazing architecture, history, and their futures look great. Both cities have many great projects underway that will lead them into the future. Cleveland is currently picking a site for its new convention center/medical mart. One of the few in the nation with a medical mart. I heard the lakefront on the mall was chosen for its location.

But please, do not sugar-coat Kentucky and make Ohio look bad. Ohio is a great state, and so is Kentucky. But I will not bash Kentucky, or any other state for that matter to make Ohio look good.

Sorry if I seem uptight with you, its just the way you responded to my post.

[Beavercreek33]

Originally Posted by InLondon

I'm not surprised by those figures. I know several people from Ohio that have recently moved to London. So I'm sure there's lots more that have moved to other parts of Kentucky as well from Ohio.

London is in eastern Kentucky. Many from this region have moved to northern Cincinnati and Columbus. Go to the Columbus sub-forum and read the appalachians thread. Interesting...