Kentucky and dry counties (Lexington, Carrollton: sale, how much, homes)
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Living in a dry county doesn't inhibit anyone from drinking alcohol or restrict ones freedom of buying it. All you have to do is drive to the next county and buy it.
Having lived in dry counties, I have seen just as many drunks in them as I have seen in wet counties.
But, being dry is a choice of the local citizens of that particular county. It's the right to govern ourselves at it's finest.
If there are enough people in the county to overturn the laws, then it could be done.
Even though I don't drink alcohol.beverages, I still don't have a problem with someone using them in moderation.
The abusers will always find a place to buy it regardless of where they live.
Exactly, so why even ban it being sold within the county in the first place?? Its accomplishing nothing. All thats doing is hurting local economy & it helps no one because those who want alcohol will just take their dollars to another town/county. Its an ass-backwards way of doing things & people with any sense in these communities should rise up & overturn it from the folks who have hijacked your towns & think they know whats best for every resident, all in the name of the Lord mind you. And with the coal industry drying up, ya'll need as much help as you can get.
If there's one thing history has taught us with this subject its that prohibition just doesn't work & actually causes more harm than good. Thats not opinion & is just a fact. Look it up. The same exact argument could be made about marijuana (which is actually MUCH less harmful than either alcohol or cigarettes) & how the prohibition of a mostly-harmless plant simply wastes tax dollars, puts non-violent usually law-abiding citizens behind bars & forces the industry underground so that sales are handled by thugs who are probably selling MUCH more harmful substances as well to anyone who wants it (no ID check here). It's a total & utter failure of epic proportions. But thats for another topic.
I will share a bit about growing up in Madisonville...which was dry in a dry county until about 10 years or ago when Madisonville (city) voted to be wet in order to get an Applebees. I personally growing up preferred a dry county. I dont know if that is reason or not....but no one in my family drank alcohol nor my aunts and uncles, etc. I never saw alcohol in person until I was in college. I grew up with the idea it was a bad thing...pretty socially stigmatized against. This was in the 80s. Granted I did hear of folks driving to Christian county south of us because it was wet to bring stuff back. And I do remember the days growing up of hearing about the police raiding the VFW and other clubs to selling alcohol at their gatherings.
But looking back I do miss those days. It has influenced me in that I dont see any reason to drink. To me it isnt something I want to expose my now 4 year old too. It wasnt a religious issue per se....but I do know several hard core southern Baptists in our family who are pretty strict about what others do and their opinions. The wife of my nephew voted democratic several years ago in a presidential election and his family blamed her for forcing their son to vote democratic.
I did find it interesting though growing up...how segregated things were still in my town. I went to elementary school in the early to mid 70s and our schools were integrated. But gosh forbid any blacks live outside their area of town. You know the theory of seen but not heard. In the early 80s the house next to ours went for sale and once word got around that a black family was interested a petition was circulated and sure enough they were no longer interested. That stuff turned me off some of the religious dogma that can come out in small town Kentucky. Sorry to get off subject.
Living in a dry county doesn't inhibit anyone from drinking alcohol or restrict ones freedom of buying it. All you have to do is drive to the next county and buy it.
Having lived in dry counties, I have seen just as many drunks in them as I have seen in wet counties.
But, being dry is a choice of the local citizens of that particular county. It's the right to govern ourselves at it's finest.
If there are enough people in the county to overturn the laws, then it could be done.
Even though I don't drink alcohol.beverages, I still don't have a problem with someone using them in moderation.
The abusers will always find a place to buy it regardless of where they live.
If dry counties have as many alcohol abusers as other areas, then does that not defeat the whole purpose of a county being dry? I think that the dry counties benefit bootleggers who would be out of work without dry counties. There is also evidence suggesting that alcohol-related accidents are very high in dry counties, which is really a "no brainer" given that people have to drive a long distance to buy alcohol.
The question you have to ask is...what are the most prosperous Kentucky counties in terms of retail sales? And how many of those counties have at least one wet town/city?
IMO - Most prosperous regions by far are Lexington and Louisville areas as well as parts of Northern KY. Obviously, all of these areas sell alcohol.
IMO - Most prosperous regions by far are Lexington and Louisville areas as well as parts of Northern KY. Obviously, all of these areas sell alcohol.
Yet, the most ideal county to raise a child was dry until 2005, and now is only moist. Moist meaning there are no package stores and no bars where alcohol sales can exceed 30% of gross income.
All I am saying is that "over-correcting" causes accidents. We can't vote to make everyone drive a certain brand of car, but darn glad we can vote to all drive on the same side of the road.
If dry counties have as many alcohol abusers as other areas, then does that not defeat the whole purpose of a county being dry? I think that the dry counties benefit bootleggers who would be out of work without dry counties. There is also evidence suggesting that alcohol-related accidents are very high in dry counties, which is really a "no brainer" given that people have to drive a long distance to buy alcohol.
My experience in dry counties was that there was a higher rate of bing drinking as well. It is like the forbidden fruit syndrome, you have to drink it while you got it.
I remember clearly visiting a friend in Monroe Co, in South Central Kentucky almost 20 years ago. We were 16 years old. Monroe Co was dry so everyone drove to the TN line. There were 2 or 3 liquor stores immediately after crossing the line. We walked into one of them and my friend bought 3 cases of beer. I was standing in the background scared out of my mind. The clerk said, "which way you heading???" My friend pointed back towards KY, the clerk rang it up. I walked out of there with my jaw on the floor. This was totally normal, there were a steady cars driving over from KY and back.
Dry counties don't work. Just as many people drink as in wet counties. If the counties want to vote for a dry, it is their right. I feel like it is hypocritical though.
The county I grew up in was also dry. And man I remember it had many an alcoholic & druggie. From what I understand, its much worse now. Teen pregnancy rate was sky high too.
I dont think they're bad eggs, I just think kids growing up in these areas have nothing to do, no stimulation or outlet & probably just feel hopeless a lot of times. I know, I've been in that state of mind myself a few times back in the day there & could see how I could have fallen into a bad way if I had stuck around. And I know a lot of my cousins & other relatives/old friends back home are battling with these things right now. It makes me sad thinking about it cause I know they're good people.
Wet country, dry country, makes no difference whatsoever. If people want to do something, they're going to do it. Simply saying "Uh, no sonny, you cant do that cause we here town folk made it a law" means jack squat to them. Esp when they can just drive 10-20 minutes down the road to the next town.
So congratulations, you've accomplished nothing & are probably in fact making it worse. Why dont you try educating people instead of trying to blindfold them??
The county I grew up in was also dry. And man I remember it had many an alcoholic & druggie. From what I understand, its much worse now. Teen pregnancy rate was sky high too.
I dont think they're bad eggs, I just think kids growing up in these areas have nothing to do, no stimulation or outlet & probably just feel hopeless a lot of times. I know, I've been in that state of mind myself a few times back in the day there & could see how I could have fallen into a bad way if I had stuck around. And I know a lot of my cousins & other relatives/old friends back home are battling with these things right now. It makes me sad thinking about it cause I know they're good people.
Wet country, dry country, makes no difference whatsoever. If people want to do something, they're going to do it. Simply saying "Uh, no sonny, you cant do that cause we here town folk made it a law" means jack squat to them. Esp when they can just drive 10-20 minutes down the road to the next town.
So congratulations, you've accomplished nothing & are probably in fact making it worse. Why dont you try educating people instead of trying to blindfold them??
When it was proposed that Murray become "moist", I had visions of how convenient it would be to actually be able to go to a bar and grab a beer. The vote passed. Do you know how many beers I have consumed at local reataurant bars? TWO!!! I don't even think about it anymore when I go out to eat. I forget Murray even has alcohol. You see, the more you tell people NOT to do something, the more they will do it.
As for the religion angle...it's all about control. Plain and simple. Reverend Steve tells his flock that beer is the devil...well then people are convinced to think that way. It's all control.
As for the religion angle...it's all about control. Plain and simple. Reverend Steve tells his flock that beer is the devil...well then people are convinced to think that way. It's all control.
While there are those who might follow Steve, most churches today are filled with educated people who won't just follow a Pied-Piper faith. I think it is odd that the more educated people become, the more they realize just how amazing beliefs become.
Now, let's stop and think for a moment. Maybe this will help some. Can human's in America live without alcohol? Can you tell me of any ruined homes because somebody chose not to drink? Can you tell me of people killed in auto accidents because someone was sober rather than drunk? Maybe you can, but numerically, those very few incidents will be rare.
Now, how many good friends, or acquaintances do you know who have been adversely affected by alcohol? How about the 27 young people and chaparones killed in the I-71 bus crash in 1989 by one man's drinking.
Folks, I am NOT a T-totaller, as I enjoy a glass of wine nearly every day at home, I enjoy a glass of wine or two beers with a pizza, a fine meal, or a gathering, and I love my Woodford Reserve bourbon sipping whiskey.
But alcohol inbibed family members have committed murder-suicide, personal suicide, and death caused by other drunken drivers.
Maybe those preachers have a reason to preach tolerance. As a side note, my eyes did a double take the night I attended a church social event where beer and wine were being sold, while AA was meeting in that same church's basement.
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As a side note, my eyes did a double take the night I attended a church social event where beer and wine were being sold, while AA was meeting in that same church's basement.
Well, ya gotta love Kentucky...
When you mentioned 'moist' counties, I had to chuckle. I can't help it, it makes me laugh everytime. The counties that only let you drink in certain places, like restaurants, wineries, and (get this) golf courses...
This is an old map I clipped from the Courier-Journal several years ago. Poor little Spencer County has since given up. They were surrounded by all those other hedonistic counties, and I guess they just couldn't fight it anymore (also, they saw tax dollars flying out of their county). So, they're wet now:
I remember the liquor store that sat on the Bullitt/Hardin county line years ago (building is still there). The name of the liquor store changed depending on the direction of travel. They had a huge sign with the name of the store on top of the building. Driving the Dixie coming from Louisville, their sign said "Last Chance Liquors". Coming in from Fort Knox, it said "First Chance Liquors". Now you gotta admit, that's funny...
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