Do you agree with Rand Paul's stance on private property discrimination? (neighborhoods, schools)

[KerryB]

Originally Posted by yyz1

In the public sphere, yeah, you're right, discrimination has no place even though in our gov't it's front and center (set asides, quotas, etc). However, in the private sphere (in a free society) individuals have something called the freedom of association which means that they also have the freedom of non-association. I'm sorry that offends you, but too bad. What really has no place in America is your backwards belief of bringing federal guns down on anyone who disagrees with you or dares utter an opinion or acts in a way that offends your hypersensitive feelings. You brought up a hypothetical example of a black business that refuses service to whites. Yeah? So?
My response was I would take my money elsewhere. Why do you have the incessant urge to intervene? Sure, putting a gun to their heads may bring them into compliance with your demands but is it going to change the way they may feel about whites? Will probably only make it worse! Let's try education, not force. Another guy in this thread mentioned that businesses just want to make money. He's absolutely right, they do. That's why it isn't wise for businesses to discriminate! They will lose out to their competitors who do not discriminate! Don't understand that? Try thinking! Honestly, did the passage of California's prop 209 throw all blacks and hispanics out of California universities as the hysterical doomsdayers said it would? No, it didn't. In fact, graduation rates went up. Do you think that Jerry West would release Kobe Bryant today if the CRA was suddenly repealed? Do you honestly think that there would be mass firings all over the country? No, of course there wouldn't.

You guys seriously need to get over yourselves. Meddling and narcissistic is no way to go through life! Just live your lives. Treat others the way you would want to be treated, hopefully with kindness and civility. For those who insist on being bigots, well, it's their loss. It's they that have to live with their miserable selves. You don't have to associate with them and you don't need to use the full force of the US gov't to force them to associate with people you think they should be. Ok?

BTW, even though some a-holes in this thread believe otherwise, you may have an opinion if you disagree!

Sorry, pal. We have laws in the country & if you don't agree with them I don't know what to tell you other than to just suck it up, go hide under a rock or go somewhere else. All men (and women) are created equal here & that's basically all there is to it. You don't have the "right" to discriminate in your private business just like you don't have the "right" to serve tainted food that doesn't meet with our health standard laws. I know I know, how dare us, right?

BTW, way to call me an a-hole when you don't even know me. That's some real class you got there.

Seriously, dude. Take it back to the political forum where this kind of stuff flies & you can feel free to tea-bag with your fellow bigot. Peace.

[KerryB]

Link to original article.

LOUISVILLE, Ky. - Looks like the only medical certification Dr. Rand Paul may have is his own.

Kentucky Senate candidate Rand Paul has touted his experience as an eye doctor, but his certification is not recognized by the American Medical Association. According to the Courier-Journal in Louisville, The Tea Party booster is not a "board-certified" ophthalmologist.

Paul, instead, is certified by the National Board of Ophthalmology, a group he founded in 1999 and currently serves as the head of.

He just gets shadier by the minute, doesn't he?

[Probender]

YouTube - Kelley Paul Speaks Out

Thought I'd post this. Kelly explains things a lot better than I can.

[SouthBound47]

I think that Rand Paul's stance has been greatly exaggerated, however I think that people should be allowed to discriminate if they want. If the population doesn't like it, they can go elsewhere.

Why is it that they said that this law was being passed because it was so popular, even in the South, but if it was so popular no one would have shopped at segregated shops! Yet another case of northern liberals trying to force the views of New England and California on the rest of the country!

[Cattknap]

Didn't anyone read his editorial yesterday in the Courier Journal? He is definitely not in favor of racial discrimination - you people that are acting like he is have no idea what you are talking about. Get your facts straight.

[Al555]

Originally Posted by SouthBound47

I think that Rand Paul's stance has been greatly exaggerated, however I think that people should be allowed to discriminate if they want. If the population doesn't like it, they can go elsewhere.


Yet another case of northern liberals trying to force the views of New England and California on the rest of the country!

I read stuff like this and I think I'm in a time warp... or maybe a bad flashback. Didn't we fight a fairly significant war that involved the [necessary] imposition of "New England" views on the "rest of the country"--ie, the South. The South needed to have humanitarian, enlightened values "forced" upon it in the 19th C and it still does. Left to its own devices the South gives you Rand Paul, Jim Demint, Haley Barbour, Joe Barton etc. etc., ad nauseum etc. They never stop. Always, under the rhetoric of "freedom" and "liberty", the South serves up this kind of reactionary nonsense about the right to discriminate. And so long as they do the Federal government will be there to slap its regressive wrists.

[DarkWolf]

Originally Posted by SouthBound47

I think that Rand Paul's stance has been greatly exaggerated, however I think that people should be allowed to discriminate if they want. If the population doesn't like it, they can go elsewhere.

Why is it that they said that this law was being passed because it was so popular, even in the South, but if it was so popular no one would have shopped at segregated shops! Yet another case of northern liberals trying to force the views of New England and California on the rest of the country!

Please explain? It seems to me that the south still has alot Racial Tensions to iron out , like Kentucky and Tennessee friends warned me about. Which is pretty sad and Pathetic , you guys should have worked this out decades ago. We Humans need certain laws to keep us in Balance otherwise this world would be in Chaos. Discrimination is one of them , no one in this country should be discriminated against , that goes against our Country's value and Humanity.

The Northeast (including Maryland / DC) serves as a learning example for the rest of the Nation. It shows how 63 Million people squeezed into a tiny area can get along and not discriminate (by the masses) against each other. Before you criticize the Northeast for being too Liberal, we do pump out 25% of the Nation's GDP and have a Larger economy then some Euro and Asian Country's.

Getting back to the discriminating polices and laws. You also have to realize this makes your state look bad , look backwards and racist. Because people and investors think , that if hes saying this then there must be others.

[SouthBound47]

So what do you say about that backwards state known as Texas which produces nearly as much as California with a far lower population?

I am from New England, just relocating to Kentucky in a few weeks. New Englanders have such a chip on their shoulders, its terrible. I don't see where my neighbors get off saying that their view ought to be imposed in the rest of the nation.

And we did fight a war over this, but what did it settle? That William Tecumseh Sherman was willing to slaughter innocent civilians and burn their homes while the Confederate armies showed more mercy, and thus kept the northern infrastructure far more intact.

The fact is that no one should be forced to live under laws that they hate because their neighbors want to correct some perceived wrong. New England has gone far since the Boston Tea Party, and unfortunately a once respectable part of the country has turned into a pariah to the rest. While New York Liberals laugh at people who don't desire to live off the government, we laugh at the fact when the government runs out of money for you to sustain your economy, we will not skip a beat as the federal government has ignored the South for a hundred years. You know what happens then? The South rises again.

[snapper54]

I lived in Ky for a few years and was surprised at the amount of racism that was there. It really showed up when I heard young kids (teens) repeat things their parents said. I was in shock to see how prevelent it was. I have grandchilderen that live there. I made it a point to let them know how I felt. By our conversations I think their on the right track. I'm moving back in about a year and after reading every post on this thread I feel good about the people from KY. There seem to be a lot more good people than racist.

[The Dissenter]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

The Northeast (including Maryland / DC) serves as a learning example for the rest of the Nation. It shows how 63 Million people squeezed into a tiny area can get along and not discriminate (by the masses) against each other. Before you criticize the Northeast for being too Liberal, we do pump out 25% of the Nation's GDP and have a Larger economy then some Euro and Asian Country's.

Slow your role. From someone who lived in the DC area until a couple of months ago (and is black himself), there is a lot of racial segregation and tension that you would not think of. "Liberal" Northern VA can pretty segregated in some spots and races tend to stay among their own kind outside of the office. A lot of blacks in DC were upset that white folks were moving into their historically-black neighborhoods. People try to steer their kids away from the more diverse schools there and the diverse schools are actually pretty good.

I'm not saying that KY is racial heaven but I'm just saying that the NE is not without sin in racial relations.