Floridians in TriCities Area (Crossville, Forest Hills: transplants, apartment complex, crime rates)

[dreamofmonterey]

Originally Posted by KristaG

Y'all get ready for 3 more families of native Floridians, because you're right - FLORIDA STINKS!!!! Thay can keep it, and all the chaos that goes along with it! When you see a convoy of U-Hauls coming down the pike in Kingsport (between mid & end of October), that will be us - giving the one-fingered salute to Florida. LOL

lol. Good luck with your move. I wonder if they have the stats on how many more have escaped Florida this year; I am seeing alot of plates in the city ...

[compelled to reply]

This can't possibly be true...
Population (year 2000): 55,469. Estimated population in July 2006: 59,866 (+7.9% change)
Estimated median household income in 2005: $36,600 (it was $30,835 in 2000)
Races in Johnson City:

* White Non-Hispanic (89.0%)
* Black (6.4%)
* Hispanic (1.9%)
* Two or more races (1.3%)
* American Indian (0.7%)
* Other race (0.7%)


Crime in Johnson City by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005
Murders 8 2 1 4 1 4 5
per 100,000 13.9 3.3 1.8 7.1 1.7 6.9 8.6
Rapes 37 28 27 20 11 7 20
per 100,000 64.2 45.6 48.2 35.4 19.2 12.1 34.2
Robberies 60 61 78 77 86 59 73
per 100,000 104.1 99.4 139.4 136.2 150.3 101.8 125.0
Assaults 264 270 280 263 297 266 277
per 100,000 458.1 439.9 500.3 465.3 519.2 458.8 474.2
Burglaries 446 479 526 538 546 615 692
per 100,000 773.8 780.4 939.9 951.8 954.5 1060.8 1184.5
Thefts 2,059 2,755 3,203 2,767 3,033 3,101 2,797
per 100,000 3572.5 4488.4 5723.3 4895.4 5302.3 5348.8 4787.8
Auto thefts 219 173 183 227 232 206 208
per 100,000 380.0 281.9 327.0 401.6 405.6 355.3 356.0
Arson 25 20 19 15 11 21 12
per 100,000 43.4 32.6 34.0 26.5 19.2 36.2 20.5
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 325.2) 429.4 417.5 504.9 471.0 479.2 462.4 479.7

Population (year 2000): 57,585. Estimated population in July 2006: 59,482 (+3.3% change)
Estimated median household income in 2005: $36,400 (it was $32,515 in 2000)
Races in LauderHELL:

* Black (58.8%)
* White Non-Hispanic (29.5%)
* Hispanic (6.9%)
* Two or more races (4.0%)
* Other race (1.6%)
* Asian Indian (0.6%)

Crime in Lauderhill by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005
Murders 0 4 5 6 4 3 3
per 100,000 0.0 7.4 8.5 10.0 6.7 5.0 4.9
Rapes 8 27 30 27 24 23 30
per 100,000 15.5 50.1 50.8 44.8 40.1 38.1 49.3
Robberies 127 95 172 152 134 133 157
per 100,000 246.7 176.3 291.1 252.4 223.7 220.2 257.9
Assaults 338 261 335 327 331 325 371
per 100,000 656.6 484.4 567.1 543.0 552.6 538.0 609.3
Burglaries 638 609 639 663 495 504 608
per 100,000 1239.3 1130.2 1081.6 1101.0 826.4 834.3 998.6
Thefts 1,497 901 967 1,306 1,245 1,012 1,072
per 100,000 2908.0 1672.1 1636.8 2168.8 2078.5 1675.2 1760.7
Auto thefts 474 312 506 468 380 276 347
per 100,000 920.8 579.0 856.5 777.2 634.4 456.9 569.9
Arson 16 7 7 11 21 6 9
per 100,000 31.1 13.0 11.8 18.3 35.1 9.9 14.8
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 325.2) 494.5 397.0 468.0 466.1 414.8 376.0 434.4

Can someone explain this to me?Lauderhill is generally considered to be one of the head cesspools for the second biggest toilet in the country. This isn't "Agenda", this is fact.

Even more stunned...

Population (year 2000): 44,905. Estimated population in July 2006: 44,191 (-1.6% change)
Estimated median household income in 2005: $31,500 (it was $30,524 in 2000)
Races in Kingsport:

* White Non-Hispanic (92.7%)
* Black (4.2%)
* Two or more races (1.1%)
* Hispanic (1.0%)
* American Indian (0.7%)



Crime in Kingsport by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005
Murders 0 0 2 2 2 2 3
per 100,000 0.0 0.0 4.4 4.4 4.5 4.5 6.7
Rapes 21 23 26 29 40 39 32
per 100,000 50.6 51.8 57.4 63.4 89.5 87.3 71.9
Robberies 36 35 36 43 63 66 71
per 100,000 86.7 78.9 79.5 94.0 140.9 147.7 159.4
Assaults 279 267 320 295 282 310 297
per 100,000 671.6 601.7 706.3 644.7 630.8 693.8 666.9
Burglaries 261 321 409 477 477 661 521
per 100,000 628.3 723.4 902.8 1042.5 1067.1 1479.4 1169.9
Thefts 1,858 1,720 2,065 2,267 2,377 2,654 2,553
per 100,000 4472.8 3876.1 4558.0 4954.4 5317.4 5940.2 5732.8
Auto thefts 125 103 134 135 161 209 179
per 100,000 300.9 232.1 295.8 295.0 360.2 467.8 401.9
Arson 18 11 14 15 20 11 19
per 100,000 43.3 24.8 30.9 32.8 44.7 24.6 42.7
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 325.2) 447.7 409.7 489.0 511.3 565.2 640.5 595.5

Population (year 2000): 139,357. Estimated population in July 2006: 145,794 (+4.6% change)
Estimated median household income in 2005: $41,602 (it was $36,714 in 2000)
Races in Hollywood:

* White Non-Hispanic (61.6%)
* Hispanic (22.5%)
* Black (12.1%)
* Other race (4.0%)
* Two or more races (3.3%)
* Asian Indian (0.8%)
* American Indian (0.6%)

Crime in Hollywood by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005
Murders 9 3 7 11 4 8 6
per 100,000 6.8 2.2 4.9 7.5 2.7 5.5 4.1
Rapes 35 52 51 44 46 45 60
per 100,000 26.6 37.3 35.7 30.2 31.5 30.7 40.6
Robberies 360 424 393 392 412 408 330
per 100,000 273.3 304.1 274.9 269.0 282.5 278.3 223.3
Assaults 541 602 592 576 482 369 377
per 100,000 410.7 431.8 414.1 395.3 330.5 251.7 255.1
Burglaries 1,476 1,266 1,235 1,205 1,289 1,296 1,314
per 100,000 1120.5 908.0 863.8 826.9 883.9 884.1 889.1
Thefts 6,027 6,056 5,834 5,917 5,670 4,767 4,366
per 100,000 4575.3 4343.5 4080.6 4060.3 3888.0 3251.8 2954.0
Auto thefts 1,295 1,213 1,138 1,026 1,017 838 818
per 100,000 983.1 870.0 796.0 704.0 697.4 571.6 553.5
Arson 34 36 41 35 43 26 23
per 100,000 25.8 25.8 28.7 24.0 29.5 17.7 15.6
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 325.2) 539.1 518.6 491.0 475.6 454.8 407.0 383.3

Population (year 2000): 24,821. Estimated population in July 2006: 25,351 (+2.1% change)
Estimated median household income in 2005: $31,000 (it was $30,039 in 2000)
Races in Bristol:

* White Non-Hispanic (94.7%)
* Black (3.0%)
* American Indian (0.7%)
* Two or more races (0.7%)
* Hispanic (0.7%)

Crime in Bristol by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005
Murders 1 1 1 1 1 1 0
per 100,000 4.3 3.9 4.0 4.0 4.0 4.0 0.0
Rapes 10 11 9 4 11 7 9
per 100,000 42.9 43.2 35.9 15.8 43.9 27.7 35.7
Robberies 11 9 10 13 14 21 12
per 100,000 47.1 35.3 39.9 51.4 55.8 83.1 47.6
Assaults 177 105 102 103 83 99 118
per 100,000 758.5 412.0 407.3 407.2 330.9 391.7 468.3
Burglaries 132 146 147 189 206 231 234
per 100,000 565.7 572.9 587.0 747.3 821.4 913.9 928.8
Thefts 618 744 863 1,083 1,006 1,115 1,088
per 100,000 2648.5 2919.2 3446.2 4282.0 4011.2 4411.5 4318.3
Auto thefts 35 42 79 82 73 71 72
per 100,000 150.0 164.8 315.5 324.2 291.1 280.9 285.8
Arson 3 7 6 2 9 8 2
per 100,000 12.9 27.5 24.0 7.9 35.9 31.7 7.9
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 325.2) 366.2 305.4 334.4 367.0 367.2 396.2 397.1

It looks crowded in pictures too...

Population (year 2000): 85,779. Estimated population in July 2006: 90,793 (+5.8% change)
Estimated median household income in 2005: $44,409 (it was $40,998 in 2000)
Races in Sunrise:

* White Non-Hispanic (57.0%)
* Black (20.5%)
* Hispanic (17.1%)
* Other race (3.5%)
* Two or more races (3.3%)
* Asian Indian (1.2%)
* Chinese (0.8%)
Crime in Sunrise by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005
Murders 3 2 3 4 1 0 1
per 100,000 3.7 2.3 3.4 4.5 1.1 0.0 1.1
Rapes 23 30 38 11 23 19 22
per 100,000 28.3 34.5 43.2 12.3 25.5 20.9 23.8
Robberies 116 126 137 145 145 104 128
per 100,000 142.5 145.0 155.7 161.6 160.9 114.1 138.7
Assaults 173 207 269 280 255 249 230
per 100,000 212.6 238.2 305.7 312.1 283.0 273.3 249.3
Burglaries 687 538 690 551 513 471 554
per 100,000 844.1 619.0 784.1 614.3 569.4 516.9 600.5
Thefts 3,451 3,367 3,353 2,896 2,857 2,517 2,288
per 100,000 4240.1 3874.1 3810.1 3228.5 3171.0 2762.4 2479.8
Auto thefts 570 500 482 403 392 310 306
per 100,000 700.3 575.3 547.7 449.3 435.1 340.2 331.7
Arson 9 5 17 6 3 19 4
per 100,000 11.1 5.8 19.3 6.7 3.3 20.9 4.3
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 325.2) 400.0 367.7 400.3 337.7 329.0 279.5 280.5

Look, I'm not slandering the tri cities (I can't, never been there) and I'm not selling real estate down here. I just want to know what exactly people are trying to escape from. I took the tri-cities and compared them to cities that are generally portrayed as some of the head cesspools of my giant toilet I call home,and look...maybe I am missing something, but I see a placebo effect...

[ljay42]

not sure what your point is.

high crime here?
very high crime in fort lauderdale?

look at the net crime index...lauderhill (and fort lauderdale) are significantly higher...if i missed your point let me know what it is you are "pointing" out.

[compelled to reply]

Originally Posted by ljay42

not sure what your point is.

high crime here?
very high crime in fort lauderdale?

look at the net crime index...lauderhill (and fort lauderdale) are significantly higher...if i missed your point let me know what it is you are "pointing" out.

Crime is about the same in both places...

I looked at the net crime index and Johnson City vs Lauderhill are about the same...Kingsport is worse than Fort Lauderdale actually (look it up) and much worse than Hollywood. I looked at the net crime index of Sunrise VS Bristol and Sunrise went from being higher to lower in the past 5 years. All I am saying is I'm not quite sure what people thinks they are escaping from, minus crowds and high living costs. I see lots of indirect mentioning of "crime, rude people" without anything to really back it...look at Sunnys response, I told her I didn't have many fights in my HS and my neighbors are trustworthy, good people who look out for each other (Both true) and she thinks I'm a Realtor. I'm just wondering what this whole placebo effect is coming from...I don't want to hijack, so I will do what I said I was going to do; avoid the Tennessee forum. I have only been to Nashville after all...

[ljay42]

Actually ft lauderdale is higher....

I don't know where you have lived in your life...what your experiences are. I've been everywhere this side of the rockies. Lived in 12 states including florida, NC, Massachusetts, texas...blah blah blah.

Of all the places I've lived...this area has by far the best overall living conditions. Weather, cost of living, crime (don't just look at crime..look at the type of crime committed and consider that many larger areas have stopped reporting some crime so their stats look better. also consider that in rural areas more crime is domestic in nature then in the city)....

If Ft Lauderdale is for you...more power to you. But until you;ve actually been out in the world living in all these different states, the stats are just stats. Knowing about michaelangelo doesn't tell you what it smells and feels like at the sistene chapel staring up.... ;-)


good luck with your research!

[compelled to reply]

Originally Posted by ljay42

Actually ft lauderdale is higher....

I don't know where you have lived in your life...what your experiences are. I've been everywhere this side of the rockies. Lived in 12 states including florida, NC, Massachusetts, texas...blah blah blah.

Of all the places I've lived...this area has by far the best overall living conditions. Weather, cost of living, crime (don't just look at crime..look at the type of crime committed and consider that many larger areas have stopped reporting some crime so their stats look better. also consider that in rural areas more crime is domestic in nature then in the city)....

If Ft Lauderdale is for you...more power to you. But until you;ve actually been out in the world living in all these different states, the stats are just stats. Knowing about michaelangelo doesn't tell you what it smells and feels like at the sistene chapel staring up.... ;-)


good luck with your research!

Thanks again for your response .I am originally from Queens, grew up mostly between Orlando and down here. I have had a chance to travel a lot, especially in the past three years and see many parts of the country, but only lived in these three places. I like your last statement as well .

I did notice I was seeing more rape/assault up there in the stats and more robbery and burglary down here. I am actually curious as to what the market conditions are like in the field of insurance sales in eastern TN if I were to relocate out of here in the next 5-10 years (I probably will have to after college, it's no secret south FL is a horrible place to build a career). From what I have gathered it seems like prime territory for the field since it is a growing area. Any information?

[robivi3]

Crime reporting is a matter of what is considered a crime. I am a TN native living in SoFla right next to lauderhill in SUNRISE. I own a home in Crossville. I can you assure that Lauderhill, famous for anonymous gay sex in its parks, SIGNS ARE POSTED AT ALL THE LOVELY CITY PARKS WARNING NICE FOLKS TO BE AWARE, Lauderhill with the once beautiful now thanks to FAIR HOUSING LAWS decrepit, "Jackie Gleason's Inverarry" is a crime ridden rathole from which much of channel 4 news is derived. So much for tolerance, and those who lie when they say they love it. I am headed for retirement in about 4 years to intolerant, clean, imperfect Crossville. I can then be comfortable like those who don't live in expensive sh*th*les like Sunrise and declare how I don't mind being loving and tolerant, VERY EASY WHEN YOUR TOWN ISN'T OVERRUN BY CRIME, WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN STOP FOR GAS AT THE CORNER AT NITE, try stopping at the Shell at Hiatus and Oakland, oh i forgot they gave up and closed at nite now, tired of robberies. I have three sons, all teenagers who had to endure "cracker day" at Westpine Middle School when the Broward County Schoolboard said "not a problem" to my wife because they were AFRAID to speak out, because when we did no one else wanted to, including Hispanics who were friends of ours, we Colombian/American. Most white parents kept the kids out of school those days. Because it wasn't the other way around. I remember a white kid at Piper being pushed and recieving brain damage by a group of young blacks, because he was white, fine, no hate crime there. Let's all speak the truth about what we are getting away from and quit prancing around.

[PeggyM]

Robivi3, Amen . . .

I'm not going to say that crime and race/violence issues are the ONLY reasons I want to move to TN, but it definitely is a factor! I do realize that there is no crimeless utopia in this country of ours. Those days are long gone when small, southern towns were pretty much crime-free and safe. There's no such place anymore - but then there are different degrees of crime and what we are willing and able to tolerate.

I've done my research for a couple of years now, after having lived in ten of these United States, including FL, over the past 40 years, I've decided to move back to TN where I lived until I was eight years old.

Robivi3, thanks for being politically incorrect and saying it the way it really is.

[dreamofmonterey]

Originally Posted by robivi3

Crime reporting is a matter of what is considered a crime. I am a TN native living in SoFla right next to lauderhill in SUNRISE. I own a home in Crossville. I can you assure that Lauderhill, famous for anonymous gay sex in its parks, SIGNS ARE POSTED AT ALL THE LOVELY CITY PARKS WARNING NICE FOLKS TO BE AWARE, Lauderhill with the once beautiful now thanks to FAIR HOUSING LAWS decrepit, "Jackie Gleason's Inverarry" is a crime ridden rathole from which much of channel 4 news is derived. So much for tolerance, and those who lie when they say they love it. I am headed for retirement in about 4 years to intolerant, clean, imperfect Crossville. I can then be comfortable like those who don't live in expensive sh*th*les like Sunrise and declare how I don't mind being loving and tolerant, VERY EASY WHEN YOUR TOWN ISN'T OVERRUN BY CRIME, WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN STOP FOR GAS AT THE CORNER AT NITE, try stopping at the Shell at Hiatus and Oakland, oh i forgot they gave up and closed at nite now, tired of robberies. I have three sons, all teenagers who had to endure "cracker day" at Westpine Middle School when the Broward County Schoolboard said "not a problem" to my wife because they were AFRAID to speak out, because when we did no one else wanted to, including Hispanics who were friends of ours, we Colombian/American. Most white parents kept the kids out of school those days. Because it wasn't the other way around. I remember a white kid at Piper being pushed and recieving brain damage by a group of young blacks, because he was white, fine, no hate crime there. Let's all speak the truth about what we are getting away from and quit prancing around.

Dont forget the situations in Oakland park...the homeless, the crime in broad daylight, etc. I lived in a beautiful area in Boca, but if I wanted to live with blinders on, would have stayed in NYC where people step over the homeless on their way to work.

Moderator cut: cut I have lived all over the states and in Europe, and quality of life has meaning to us as we experience life...I am sure when I was 21 I thought S Florida was all that too-lol


sunny

[robivi3]

I know what and WHO I don't want to live with anymore, they just bring to many problems for me to excuse anymore. 38 years here (I am 49) has made me quite intolerant. My neighborhood has been quickly overrun and made unsafe. No PC here, sorry, and no apologies either. Don't give a damn anymore.