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Old 07-27-2010, 03:32 PM
 
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agree with swagger on the utility and car insurance and registration bills as something to consider.

the statement "I am thinking moving to vegas" the OP made remains interesting.....does the OP break it down into monetary reasons for leaving SF and moving to Vegas, lifestyle changes, weather, etc? What are your PRIORITIES?

I've never lived in SF. Been in Vegas for 3+years which is nothing compared to a local but something compared to a newbie. Love the weather myself due to lack of significant snow, plus the lack of humidity makes the heat tolerable, although I do hate the wind. Vegas is great for food and its cost, as Spraynard mentioned above. NV DMV website has a car registration cost estimator if you visit it. If you are single (it sounds like it), you'll meet "interesting" fodder and like a saying in business transactions--> buyer beware (but still good luck ) For a variety of reasons which I won't go into, I don't seem to significantly trust the healthcare system here. There is a big unemployment thingy going on right now in Vegas, coupled with a mood that is lackluster due to budget problems and that would make for meeting people of the less enthusiastic kind, plus of course the drugs and alcohol (this is Vegas anyway). I developed some friendships here because of my job, though there are quite many who I will say are jaded in an understandable way. You have to reflect deeply on the issue that Vegas is a melting pot of people and that a significant number of its contents are transient (e.g. come and go people). Traffic has seemed to improved (traffic on Sahara avenue on Fridays after work is terribly changed from before...seems to be less cars on the road).

Those are my 2 cents sir (assuming sam is a man)
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Old 07-27-2010, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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In your dreams.
You'll be surprised at how high your electricity costs are, coming from the bay area. Also, make sure that whatever apt complex you're talking to is up-front about water and trash costs.
He's going to be in an apartment. If he picks the right one, he can easily be under $90 a month during the hottest months. If he chooses an east facing, first floor unit in a multi-floor building, with units to the west, they will provide a lot of insulation. Ambient heat is easy for the A/C to deal with, it's all of the heat from IR that heats up a residence. That's why your A/C runs so much less when it's 95F at night compared to 95F during the day.
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Old 07-28-2010, 07:58 AM
 
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A suburb, Henderson is a nice place, and we found it to be cheaper there than in Las Vegas. Definitely worth checking it out. It's about a 10 minute drive from Vegas, and is a bit more laid back. Green Valley Resort Casino is there as well.
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Old 07-28-2010, 09:49 AM
 
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When I said in my post "......may be pay additional $50 in electricity and gas.......", I was assuming electricity and gas costs of $100 per month in Las Vegas and $50 per month in the SF Bay Area for an one-bedroom apartment. From your posts, $100 per month appears to be a realistic figure.

I am retired single man. My main reason for moving to Las Vegas is significantly cheaper accommodation in light of my limited fixed income. I like to spend most of my time indoors on Internet and watching TV/movies. I would think there will be more opportunities to make friends in Las Vegas due to wide variety of people living in Las Vegas.

Weather-wise, I'll miss Fremont. We don't need airconditioning here as temperature rarely goes over 80.

from NV...I'll definitely check Henderson if I can find an apartment there with comparable rent.
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Old 08-01-2010, 11:45 AM
 
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I think you should go for it.. Wow I did not think it would be more to reg. a car in NV than CA. Have you thought about FLorida
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Old 08-01-2010, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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Vehicle reg fees in NV appear to be around 1.75%. CA increased theirs to 1.15% in 2009, up from 0.65%. CA reg fees were historically 2%, but began dropping in 1998 until Gray Davis raised them back to 2%. One of Governor Arnold's first acts as governor was to drop the fees back to 0.65%.
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Old 08-01-2010, 01:26 PM
 
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In your dreams.

You'll be surprised at how high your electricity costs are, coming from the bay area. Also, make sure that whatever apt complex you're talking to is up-front about water and trash costs.

Car registration is significantly higher than in CA, but maybe not that bad - depends on how old your car is and what the MSRP was when it was new.

Expect your car insurance cost to increase by at least 1/3, if not 1/2 or more. That was the biggest surprise for me when I moved here. I figured that it HAD to be cheaper than in Los Angeles, but hadn't taken into account that Las Vegas is a 24 hour town with alcohol flowing like water. Rates are high because there's a lot of drunk and/or exhausted drivers on the road.
We moved from the Bay Area (Cupertino) in January of this year (2010).

You will probably use more electricity as measured by killowatt hours here in the summer, but the price-per-killowatt is lower -- especially for us as we had been in Tier 5 of PG&E (for everyone else, that means we used a lot of electricity, so we were in the extremely expensive top-marginal cost zone). Overall, our electricity bill is quite a bit lower than the Bay Area in the summer, but then again I came from a larger multi-story house and am now renting a single story house about half the size. Under the assumption that the USA will sometime implement the "Cap and Trade" carbon reduction system, I would expect that electricity rates will go up, making it more expensive in LV so as to discourage its use. Ditto for "green energy", which the electric utilities must purchase some percent of, due to legal requirements.

Of course, in the Bay Area, you can get away without A/C much of the summertime -- and at night you can open the windows & use a fan. In Las Vegas area, you will probably run the AC all night long.

If it were me, I would try to find an apartment that was as new as I could, because that way the apartment would be more likely to have better quality insulation. I would personally avoid a vaulted ceiling, as that is just more cubic feet of air to cool even though it certainly helps the apartment feel more spacious.

My auto insurance is only a few percent higher in Henderson than it was in Cupertino. (Amica Ins Co) You'll need a smog test -- costs about $20 if I recall. Unlike CA, here you need to get the test every year, but also unlike CA, there is no "2nd level" smog test as far as I can tell. I didn't find any difference, really, in the registration fees, even though a lot of people report they are higher here. But plan on spending several hours at the DMV.

To get the Nevada Drivers License, you will need more documentation than you do in California. Go to their website to see for sure, but if I recall correctly plan on bringing your birth certificate, a passport, social security card, and of course your current CA DL.

There is a lot of low-cost &/or free entertainment in Las Vegas area.

My impression is that the medical care in the SFBA is better than here in Las Vegas, but that impression comes from talking to people rather than actually seeing a doctor. If you have a lot of complicated medical issues, you may want to consider doing some research on doctors & hospitals & whatnot prior to making your final decision. If you just have garden variety issues, then it probably isn't a big deal.
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Old 08-01-2010, 02:24 PM
 
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We moved from the Bay Area (Cupertino) in January of this year (2010).

You will probably use more electricity as measured by killowatt hours here in the summer, but the price-per-killowatt is lower -- especially for us as we had been in Tier 5 of PG&E (for everyone else, that means we used a lot of electricity, so we were in the extremely expensive top-marginal cost zone). Overall, our electricity bill is quite a bit lower than the Bay Area in the summer, but then again I came from a larger multi-story house and am now renting a single story house about half the size. Under the assumption that the USA will sometime implement the "Cap and Trade" carbon reduction system, I would expect that electricity rates will go up, making it more expensive in LV so as to discourage its use. Ditto for "green energy", which the electric utilities must purchase some percent of, due to legal requirements.

Of course, in the Bay Area, you can get away without A/C much of the summertime -- and at night you can open the windows & use a fan. In Las Vegas area, you will probably run the AC all night long.

If it were me, I would try to find an apartment that was as new as I could, because that way the apartment would be more likely to have better quality insulation. I would personally avoid a vaulted ceiling, as that is just more cubic feet of air to cool even though it certainly helps the apartment feel more spacious.

My auto insurance is only a few percent higher in Henderson than it was in Cupertino. (Amica Ins Co) You'll need a smog test -- costs about $20 if I recall. Unlike CA, here you need to get the test every year, but also unlike CA, there is no "2nd level" smog test as far as I can tell. I didn't find any difference, really, in the registration fees, even though a lot of people report they are higher here. But plan on spending several hours at the DMV.

To get the Nevada Drivers License, you will need more documentation than you do in California. Go to their website to see for sure, but if I recall correctly plan on bringing your birth certificate, a passport, social security card, and of course your current CA DL.

There is a lot of low-cost &/or free entertainment in Las Vegas area.

My impression is that the medical care in the SFBA is better than here in Las Vegas, but that impression comes from talking to people rather than actually seeing a doctor. If you have a lot of complicated medical issues, you may want to consider doing some research on doctors & hospitals & whatnot prior to making your final decision. If you just have garden variety issues, then it probably isn't a big deal.

WoW!!

Moving from Cupertino to Las Vegas. Things going that bad Just kidding!!
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Old 08-01-2010, 04:53 PM
 
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I grew up in the Cupertino/Sunnyvale area. I moved to Las Vegas for the lower cost of living and more opportunities at the given time. One of my best friends still works at Apple (i used to work there in the early 90's). Miss the area, but Vegas is my home now.
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Old 08-01-2010, 08:12 PM
 
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We moved from the Bay Area (Cupertino) in January of this year (2010).

You will probably use more electricity as measured by killowatt hours here in the summer, but the price-per-killowatt is lower -- especially for us as we had been in Tier 5 of PG&E (for everyone else, that means we used a lot of electricity, so we were in the extremely expensive top-marginal cost zone). Overall, our electricity bill is quite a bit lower than the Bay Area in the summer, but then again I came from a larger multi-story house and am now renting a single story house about half the size.
Because of the tiered rates with PG&E, light energy users will see their bills go up, due to increased consumption by the A/C in the summer. Heavy energy users would see their bills go down, because elimination of the tiered rates would more than offset heavy use of A/C.

The lowest PG&E tier is close to NV Energy rates, but the highest tier is around 4X what you pay here. That's why the apartment resident would see their bill go up, but a home owner would see their go down - probably by a factor of 3 or so. My 1500kwh here last month cost $200, compare that to 2000kwh in PG&E land which costs $800. If you have a $700 bill here, that much electricity would cost $2000 in PG&E land, though it's hard to imagine needing to consume that much energy in a location with moderate temperatures.
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