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Old 08-21-2010, 12:57 AM
 
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I would wager over 25%. Underemployed can be worse than unemployed to be honest and that number is astounding I'm sure. I can say that I am scraping by myself and I don't even have the luxury of collecting unemployment if I'm laid off as I'm a contractor.
What's crazy is that people in this town who are fortunate enough to work don't seem to appreciate that at all. I had to fire two employees from my small business today (both making roughly $40k a year with fully paid health benefits, company vehicles, 5% 1/1 401K match, paid gas cards, and paid car insurance) because, despite several warnings, they were still working on "freelance" personal projects during business hours.

Both of them were stupid enough to use our e-mail system and leave the evidence in folders right on their desktops.

And here's where I'm a bit of a hardass.. I'm not about to pay both of these people 99 weeks of unemployment because they weren't "willful" in their violation of company policy (even though they really were). Both were officially fired for "theft of company property" (hey, they were stealing my time!) which means they'll be ineligible for unemployment benefits. If they challenge it, it's my word against theirs, and I haven't lost a challenge yet.

Sorry, but if you want to come into my business and work on other peoples' projects while I'm paying you, I have zero sympathy.

Oh well, at least they'll be replaced (hopefully, knock wood) with people who will actually appreciate the opportunity to have a stable, decent paying job with benefits in this terrible economy.
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Old 08-21-2010, 01:06 AM
 
Location: Yorker to Vegan
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I feel for you, Lisa. Really rooting for you. As an honest, hard-working person, you deserve better.
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Old 08-21-2010, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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I feel for you, Lisa. Really rooting for you. As an honest, hard-working person, you deserve better.
Thank you Maharlika, it's nice to know there are people on here that really do care and try to offer any assistance they can.

I try to think of the saying, "This too shall pass" ...and hope for better times ahead.
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Old 08-21-2010, 08:24 AM
 
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Hang in there. Things may be better when you move.
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Kingman AZ
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I would wager over 25%. Underemployed can be worse than unemployed to be honest and that number is astounding I'm sure. I can say that I am scraping by myself and I don't even have the luxury of collecting unemployment if I'm laid off as I'm a contractor.
But I would also wager that fully 60% of that 25% have already done an ELVIS and left the building and are drawing their unemployment checks somewhere else.....
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:20 AM
 
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...despite several warnings, they were still working on "freelance" personal projects during business hours.

Both of them were stupid enough to use our e-mail system and leave the evidence in folders right on their desktops.

And here's where I'm a bit of a hardass.. I'm not about to pay both of these people 99 weeks of unemployment because they weren't "willful" in their violation of company policy (even though they really were). Both were officially fired for "theft of company property" (hey, they were stealing my time!) which means they'll be ineligible for unemployment benefits. If they challenge it, it's my word against theirs, and I haven't lost a challenge yet.
As someone who was involved in the terminations and prosecutions of numerous employees throughout the country for fraud, theft, and other malfeasance and misfeasance, I wholeheartedly concur with your firing of these individuals for their transgressions. However, I have a hard time believing that you could substantiate a charge of "theft of company property."
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Kingman AZ
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If you're a design firm then you may have a Copyright action since they were being paid by you to "design"

As such YOU own copyright to everything they do .
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Old 08-21-2010, 01:51 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Default Just to make everyone feel a little better...

We are not nearly the area bottom. Riverside-San Bernardino is at 15.3. And that metro is twice the size of Las Vegas.

When people suggest we should diversify suggest to them they check out the Inland Empire.
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Old 08-21-2010, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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We are not nearly the area bottom. Riverside-San Bernardino is at 15.3. And that metro is twice the size of Las Vegas.

When people suggest we should diversify suggest to them they check out the Inland Empire.
Thanks for pointing this out Olecapt. I thought Las Vegas was the highest. I see where Los Angeles is at 12.4% for July, so that isn't that far behind.
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Old 08-21-2010, 06:22 PM
 
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What's crazy is that people in this town who are fortunate enough to work don't seem to appreciate that at all. I had to fire two employees from my small business today (both making roughly $40k a year with fully paid health benefits, company vehicles, 5% 1/1 401K match, paid gas cards, and paid car insurance) because, despite several warnings, they were still working on "freelance" personal projects during business hours.

Both of them were stupid enough to use our e-mail system and leave the evidence in folders right on their desktops.

And here's where I'm a bit of a hardass.. I'm not about to pay both of these people 99 weeks of unemployment because they weren't "willful" in their violation of company policy (even though they really were). Both were officially fired for "theft of company property" (hey, they were stealing my time!) which means they'll be ineligible for unemployment benefits. If they challenge it, it's my word against theirs, and I haven't lost a challenge yet.

Sorry, but if you want to come into my business and work on other peoples' projects while I'm paying you, I have zero sympathy.

Oh well, at least they'll be replaced (hopefully, knock wood) with people who will actually appreciate the opportunity to have a stable, decent paying job with benefits in this terrible economy.

I wouldn't have any sympathy either. There will always be those that think nothing applies to them. Despite greed bringing down the economy, there are still those that are convinced greed is their way out. I take pride in knowing that karma is real even if it is only as real as it's deteriorating effect on the greedy's thinking; which eventually destroys their life. Mind you, someone could manage to make loads of cash and still destroy their life in so many ways.

Although generous, your extension of good pay and incredible benefits had likely made them too comfortable and they took the job for granted. I don't know what industry you are in but I can guarantee there are lots of people willing to work twice as hard for half as much and actually show appreciation.
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