[ackackack]

The crime rate is not dropping swiftly in North Las Vegas. New homes don't mean less crime. Personally, I would avoid anything with the name North Las Vegas in it. It's cheaper for a reason. It looks nice (strip malls on every corner so you don't have to go far to get some fast food or a beer), but it is on the far North end of the valley, not close to freeways (US95 I-15) except for the beltway (I-215), but this portion of the beltway really sucks for getting around. Plan lots of extra commute time if you want to go somewhere that is not in your neighborhood. Although Summerlin is not all that is touted to be, it has been around for much longer, has a much wealthier demographic, more central to getting around the valley, relatively safer, and has a good reputation. Personally, I don't like either area, but many people who buy in Summerlin, buy for status and want to protect what they have. Only people who weren't born here or haven't lived here before North Las Vegas started expanding ever "brag" about living in North Las Vegas.

[olecapt]

Originally Posted by ackackack

The crime rate is not dropping swiftly in North Las Vegas. New homes don't mean less crime. Personally, I would avoid anything with the name North Las Vegas in it. It's cheaper for a reason. It looks nice (strip malls on every corner so you don't have to go far to get some fast food or a beer), but it is on the far North end of the valley, not close to freeways (US95 I-15) except for the beltway (I-215), but this portion of the beltway really sucks for getting around. Plan lots of extra commute time if you want to go somewhere that is not in your neighborhood. Although Summerlin is not all that is touted to be, it has been around for much longer, has a much wealthier demographic, more central to getting around the valley, relatively safer, and has a good reputation. Personally, I don't like either area, but many people who buy in Summerlin, buy for status and want to protect what they have. Only people who weren't born here or haven't lived here before North Las Vegas started expanding ever "brag" about living in North Las Vegas.

Well you are right in a way. The NLV crime rates went up in 2006 it appears. But it did much better than Las Vegas metro So at this point both Henderson and NLV boast lower violent crime rates than Las Vegas. This is particularly interesting as the City of Las Vegas number are metro and include the vast reaches of nice suburbs in the outlying regions...Summerlin for instance.

Henderson is apparently not going to get a 2006 number. They have the famous cooking the books footnote applied. One wonders if the Henderson numbers are as good as appeared or do they have a good crime accounting system?

[PinkString]

Originally Posted by ackackack

Although Summerlin is not all that is touted to be, it has been around for much longer, has a much wealthier demographic, more central to getting around the valley, relatively safer, and has a good reputation. Personally, I don't like either area, but many people who buy in Summerlin, buy for status and want to protect what they have. Only people who weren't born here or haven't lived here before North Las Vegas started expanding ever "brag" about living in North Las Vegas.

Well you are wrong. And very misinformed. Like your cousin surfdude.
So what does wealth or status have to do with being better? Not a damn thing. Sounds like you are prejudiced against regular working people. Whatever.

I have lived in Las Vegas for 13 years, and 3 1/2 in the upper North Valley. Say what you like about where we live, but unless you live here and see how things are day to day, all the negative things you are spouting off about don't mean a thing. I do remember years ago that I didn't want anything to do with north las vegas and vowed never to even remotely move close to it. But that changed when Aliante was being built. As far out as it is, it's far enough away from the old part. And it's closer to Centennial hills than to old nlv.
Upper north valley is a world away from old north las vegas. And thousands move here every month, so there must be something right about it. duh! lol

Summerlin isn't the place everyone in the world wants to move to. It's overpriced for one, and there are many equally nice area's of the valley, not just Summerlin.
We do wish more people would move somewhere else because there are just too many people over here clogging our roads and supermarkets.
What would be even better would be for all the negative people to move back where they came from.

[ackackack]

Are PinkString and Mayor Olecapt related? Anytime anyone has something bad to say about this town, they freak out and tell them to move. I would love to go back to where I was born, old, smaller Las Vegas. That Las Vegas is gone. I've experienced the growing pains this city is going under for my whole life. You're right, I cannot stand the working class, it makes me sick the way they get up each day and go do the things they do for money. Who in their right mind would do this? That's why I live in Summerlin. Up here we don't work. Instead we drink coffee all day, buy expensive stuff, and make jokes about how the working class ruins it for everyone.

[olecapt]

Originally Posted by ackackack

Are PinkString and Mayor Olecapt related? Anytime anyone has something bad to say about this town, they freak out and tell them to move. I would love to go back to where I was born, old, smaller Las Vegas. That Las Vegas is gone. I've experienced the growing pains this city is going under for my whole life. You're right, I cannot stand the working class, it makes me sick the way they get up each day and go do the things they do for money. Who in their right mind would do this? That's why I live in Summerlin. Up here we don't work. Instead we drink coffee all day, buy expensive stuff, and make jokes about how the working class ruins it for everyone.

Actually some months ago a few of us decided that we would not sit still while the unknowledgable and unhappy pissed all over our town.

We actually welcome constructive criticism and enjoy the discussion of what the actual facts are. We fully respect your right not to like Las Vegas. It is a different place and will not appeal to all. You can hate Las Vegas all you want. But you can't cite the high crime rate or the bad schools unless you can show that it has a high crime rate and bad schools. What could be simpler? Knock away but tell the truth.

[ackackack]

63.5% graduation percentage for the class of 2006. How's that stat? Look up the percentage of our kids who are competent in the three R's and tell me all is wonderful. It's offensive. Our community is failing over one-third of our kids here, and all we seem to care about is building bigger, better casinos. If you want statistics, look for yourself. I don't memorize stats, but that is one I don't forget. You know as well as I do they aren't good. It's your business to pretend everything here is wonderful, so I would be suprised if you said otherwise. I grew up here, I've seen what I describe first-hand. I don't complain about the population, but I do complain about how we take care of our community and what we are turning into. I can't honestly recommend this city for people looking to come here to raise a good family. You wanna come here and live a "what happens in Las Vegas..." lifestyle, then great, this is the place for you. If someone asks if they should bring their kids here, then I can't help but advise against it.

I don't think that's pissing on this town. It's the people here who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves who are pissing on this town and everyone else in it.

Do you really need examples and stats to verify that there is an ever-increasing crime rate here? I guess from your vantage point this place is paradise, but from mine it stinks and needs attention. Keep knocking the people who are fed up with the direction that we're heading and keep defending the status quo and see where we end up in the future.

[ParkTwain]

Maybe a better question is: why are the parents/guardians in the households of 33% of LV high schools' Class of 2006 allowing those children to drop out? Are those parents so desparately clinging to economic viability, or is their familial solidarity so weak, that they cannot supervise or motivate their children to finish school?

This could be an indicator of poverty in LV, or a preference by the parents for short-sighted thinking regarding the value of secondary education (indicating in turn a lack of success by teachers and administrators in reaching out to the parents to serve as allies in the education process), or I suppose something else I can't think of. Another important metric would be: what is the trend in the dropout rate figures over, for instance, the previous decade. Which parts of town, even which particular schools, are showing red flags as to their dropout rate?

[PinkString]

Originally Posted by ackackack

Are PinkString and Mayor Olecapt related? Anytime anyone has something bad to say about this town, they freak out and tell them to move. I would love to go back to where I was born, old, smaller Las Vegas. That Las Vegas is gone. I've experienced the growing pains this city is going under for my whole life. You're right, I cannot stand the working class, it makes me sick the way they get up each day and go do the things they do for money. Who in their right mind would do this? That's why I live in Summerlin. Up here we don't work. Instead we drink coffee all day, buy expensive stuff, and make jokes about how the working class ruins it for everyone.

We are not related..lol. We just like the facts.
I am not trying to make believe where i live is great , i just know it is. Because i live here. duh!!! I think ive said that too many times, but i will continue to defend my little section of the valley,because I know how it really is. Not how someone else that doesn't live here speculates how it is.
I like where i live, and as ive said time and again, its very far from the old crappy section down on mlk.
You are entitled to your opinion, even if it is wrong.

[olecapt]

Originally Posted by ackackack

63.5% graduation percentage for the class of 2006. How's that stat? Look up the percentage of our kids who are competent in the three R's and tell me all is wonderful. It's offensive. Our community is failing over one-third of our kids here, and all we seem to care about is building bigger, better casinos. If you want statistics, look for yourself. I don't memorize stats, but that is one I don't forget. You know as well as I do they aren't good. It's your business to pretend everything here is wonderful, so I would be suprised if you said otherwise. I grew up here, I've seen what I describe first-hand. I don't complain about the population, but I do complain about how we take care of our community and what we are turning into. I can't honestly recommend this city for people looking to come here to raise a good family. You wanna come here and live a "what happens in Las Vegas..." lifestyle, then great, this is the place for you. If someone asks if they should bring their kids here, then I can't help but advise against it.

I don't think that's pissing on this town. It's the people here who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves who are pissing on this town and everyone else in it.

Do you really need examples and stats to verify that there is an ever-increasing crime rate here? I guess from your vantage point this place is paradise, but from mine it stinks and needs attention. Keep knocking the people who are fed up with the direction that we're heading and keep defending the status quo and see where we end up in the future.

The town has a portion of the population of low scoio-economic character. The children of these folk do badly in school as they do in CA or AZ or NM. I personally believe we spend far too little money on these children...in fact on all children. It is a custom in the SW to pay to little for education and we get a deficient product as a result. The weak and poor get a bad deal.

That said there are well over 50 elementary schools, over 25 middle schools and over 15 high schools that provide a satisfactory education. There are a smaller number of each that provide an excellent education. Those are the facts. We do well for certain better off demographics and less well for others...welcome to the real world.

Crime in Las Vegas is in the middle of the pack. Almost the median for cities above 200,000. Vastly better than most of the rust belt. Henderson rates number 3 or 4 for cities above 200K. NLV is slightly less than Las Vegas. Crime in Las Vegas is low enough not to be an issue and bad enough not to be an advantage.

[garth]

Originally Posted by olecapt

Crime in Las Vegas is low enough not to be an issue and bad enough not to be an advantage.

That's a good way to say it. It brings the issue into focus in one sentence.