04-14-2011, 03:27 PM
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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I agree that Las Vegas isn't sitting on a lot of brackish water but within a radius of 200 miles the supply could be there. Anyway, if SNWA wants to spend billions on a pipeline, why not build a pipeline to an ocean?The Ely Times - elynews.com :: News: Central Nevada Water (http://www.elynews.com/articles/2011/03/25/news/news14.txt - broken link)
Political. The legal stuff is all set by the legislature which is political and controlled by Southern Nevada. The basic claim is clear and pretty solid. One gets water in NV by being the first one to claim it and then establishing beneficial use once your claim is verified by the State Engineer. The only way SNWA can lose is if called upon to put the water to beneficial use and they don't they could lose their claim. But as long as it is tied up in the State Engineer's office they don't need to do a thing but continue to defend it.
Note that "first in time first in line" water policy is a western thing. Not done that way in the east.
04-14-2011, 08:43 PM
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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I agree that Las Vegas isn't sitting on a lot of brackish water but within a radius of 200 miles the supply could be there. Anyway, if SNWA wants to spend billions on a pipeline, why not build a pipeline to an ocean?The Ely Times - elynews.com :: News: Central Nevada Water (http://www.elynews.com/articles/2011/03/25/news/news14.txt - broken link)
Do you just like saying (typing) "brackish water"? We're in the middle of a desert where there is almost no agriculture like you'll find in Arizona. In a 200 mile radius around the Las Vegas Valley is nothing but miles and miles of miles and miles. As it is, some of our brown water in town is used for landscaping. Go to Muni Golf Course sometime and do a sniff test. Some hotels have their own brown water treatment plants for their lakes and landscaping. Water from the sewers goes into a treatment plant and is then put back into Lake Mead. It is my understanding that we get credit for that. Apparently there would be no economical or hydrological reason for what you suggest here in Nevada. Shooting the ranchers for killing all the wildlife, and trampling all the native vegetation, then giving their stinking cows to the poor, makes more sense.
04-15-2011, 06:07 AM
Location: Henderson
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Do you just like saying (typing) "brackish water"? We're in the middle of a desert where there is almost no agriculture like you'll find in Arizona. In a 200 mile radius around the Las Vegas Valley is nothing but miles and miles of miles and miles. As it is, some of our brown water in town is used for landscaping. Go to Muni Golf Course sometime and do a sniff test. Some hotels have their own brown water treatment plants for their lakes and landscaping. Water from the sewers goes into a treatment plant and is then put back into Lake Mead. It is my understanding that we get credit for that. Apparently there would be no economical or hydrological reason for what you suggest here in Nevada. Shooting the ranchers for killing all the wildlife, and trampling all the native vegetation, then giving their stinking cows to the poor, makes more sense.
Come on, Buzz, it's like what, 225 miles from Las Vegas to Los Angeles? Anyway, the vast majority of brackish water in the US is contained in deep sedimentary rock structures that exist below the fresh water aquifers and are the remains of prehistoric seas that once existed. While it doesn't appear that that geology is close to Las Vegas, certainly there is plenty of agricultural run off in the Imperial Valley to use.
Yes, Nevada is the driest State in the Union. All the more reason NOT to make the situation worse than it already is. The Las Vegas valley has sunk 6 feet from all the groundwater pumped out of its aquifer and if it wasn't for the imported water this place would be extemely dry, a regular dust bowl..
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04-16-2011, 01:26 AM
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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It's 275 miles to LA, but who's counting? The Imperial Valley is in California, not Nevada, and I don't think they'd let us have even their sewer water. Sorry, just sounds like a pipe dream ..."pipe dream" ...get it.
04-16-2011, 01:56 AM
Location: Portland, OR / Las Vegas, NV
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We've already exceeded our April average rainfall and we're only half way through the month.
04-16-2011, 05:05 AM
Location: Henderson
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It's 275 miles to LA, but who's counting? The Imperial Valley is in California, not Nevada, and I don't think they'd let us have even their sewer water. Sorry, just sounds like a pipe dream ..."pipe dream" ...get it.
You forget, Buzz, that California has all the water it will ever need. It's called the Pacific Ocean.
04-16-2011, 05:20 AM
Location: Henderson
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Political. The legal stuff is all set by the legislature which is political and controlled by Southern Nevada. The basic claim is clear and pretty solid. One gets water in NV by being the first one to claim it and then establishing beneficial use once your claim is verified by the State Engineer. The only way SNWA can lose is if called upon to put the water to beneficial use and they don't they could lose their claim. But as long as it is tied up in the State Engineer's office they don't need to do a thing but continue to defend it.
Political and legal. The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution which guarantees due process of law and the federal law requiring environmental impact statements. I think that there is a growing awareness in Nevada that pumping the huge amounts of groundwater from the northern counties like SNWA wants to do will cause irreparable harm to the ecology of the area.
The fact is that the likelihood of SNWA actually building the pipeline to the northern counties goes down in time because technology has produced other sustainable alternatives that get better going forward and because there is no crisis that requires immediate action. Las Vegas has the highest per capita water use of any Southwestern city so there is a LOT that can be done to conserve the water we currently have.
04-16-2011, 05:34 AM
Location: NJ
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how big of a concern?
I'm about 80% convinced that I should move to LV from NJ. The taxes and RE costs alone are compelling.
04-16-2011, 06:29 AM
Location: Henderson
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I'm about 80% convinced that I should move to LV from NJ. The taxes and RE costs alone are compelling.
Not a big concern at all. For all we know the Rockies might have above average snowfall for the next 10 years.
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Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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