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Old 08-19-2011, 04:25 PM
 
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It is not cost effective. It is not even close.

The cheapest operating system is thermal solar...but the capital costs make it of limited competitiveness. Note that none of these plants would be built if they had to compete directly with fossil fuel. They exist only because of requirements that power come from non-polluting sources.

PV is still out by a factor of three in commercial installations.

Cheapest is coal...than gas.

Storage is a non issue in the first implementations. The sun belt can probably handle half its power with daylight only capability.

Storage cuts the power yield roughly in half. So it is gonna cost twice as much. That is going to be a while before it is cost effective.

So in other words Leed Certification mean nothing. All this bragging about being Leed certified really won't benefit the general public in the long run???? What about the solar energy being used @ the base, I find it hard to believe it is not beneficial to the base after all these years it has been generating power.

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Old 08-19-2011, 05:17 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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So in other words Leed Certification mean nothing. All this bragging about being Leed certified really won't benefit the general public in the long run???? What about the solar energy being used @ the base, I find it hard to believe it is not beneficial to the base after all these years it has been generating power.
There is no way on earth that the PV installations at Nellis are cost effective.

Nellis is in the unusual position that they may be able to defend them on the basis of national security...ie they help to make the base independent of local power and services. So if the whole US crashes Nellis can continue to function.

Pass the grain of salt. Nellis functions as long as it can fuel its planes...and if it has kerosene for that it could as well store natural gas or oil. But it is a least a good story. Keep its fighting might alive by the use of sun light.

LEED certification has nothing to do with cost effective. It is a goal in its own space.

If the object is to benefit the society in the long run many things would change. But I am not aware that goal has been signed up for by the population.

I am of the personal opinion that we are screwing up royally. We should be offering great rebates and subsidies to make the green energy industry a US and Nevada stronghold. But that does not appear to be the local opinion.
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Old 08-19-2011, 07:04 PM
 
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Regarding those photovoltaic installations @ Nellis, it has got to be beneficial to Nellis otherwise those installations have been long gone.
As far as a building being Leed Certified there has got to be a benefit as well in the long run otherwise the certification mean nothing.
Countries like Germany, (dark and gloomy Germany), China and India are investing all out on solar energy? We are missing something here in Nevada.
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Old 08-19-2011, 07:26 PM
 
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Of course it can be done and it can be cost effective. What is necessary is the will to do so.
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:46 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Regarding those photovoltaic installations @ Nellis, it has got to be beneficial to Nellis otherwise those installations have been long gone.
As far as a building being Leed Certified there has got to be a benefit as well in the long run otherwise the certification mean nothing.
Countries like Germany, (dark and gloomy Germany), China and India are investing all out on solar energy? We are missing something here in Nevada.
PV is expensive up front...outrageously so...once installed it is lucrative. Solar is great stuff...as long as you don't have to pay the up front cost.

LEED certification may be a great thing...if you don't have to pay for it. I would think a LEED certified building would be worth a premium. However the premiun would be a fraction of what it costs to get it.

Many countries are trying to buy control of the technology of solar and wind. We have not chosen to make that investment. I think we are wrong...but that does not change our decision.
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:48 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Of course it can be done and it can be cost effective. What is necessary is the will to do so.
Nonsense. Of course it can be done. But not cost effectively. Will does not change the cost effectiveness.
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Old 08-26-2011, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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Default In case you missed the bat thing

Energy group completes financing for wind-powered electric plant near Ely - Business - ReviewJournal.com
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Old 09-28-2011, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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Default Speaking of solar energy use in Nevada.

I was wondering what ever happened to this technology. Hadn't heard it mentioned in quite a while. Don't know if this will help Las Vegas, but...

Nevada solar project to get $737 million federal loan guarantee - News - ReviewJournal.com
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Old 09-28-2011, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Columbus, OH / Lake Las Vegas, NV / Indianapolis, IN
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I was wondering what ever happened to this technology. Hadn't heard it mentioned in quite a while. Don't know if this will help Las Vegas, but...

Nevada solar project to get $737 million federal loan guarantee - News - ReviewJournal.com

The Obama administration will be lucky if this isn't Solyndra redux. Another $5 billion in approvals pending?

45 permanent jobs?
43,000 homes served at what, a cost of $17,000+/home?

Like olecapt says, this is NOT a cost-effective energy solution at this time. I'm sure it will be eventually. However, instead of letting things evolve naturally in the free market, this government feels compelled to stuff things down our throat on the taxpayer's dime.....
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Old 09-28-2011, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Sunrise
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Cheapest is coal...than gas.

Gas is not cheap -- trillions of dollars spent on unnecessary wars to secure oil reserves. Plus, every time we fill up, blood is spilled.

Coal is not as cheap as we think, either. The coal industry receives massive subsidies. And then there's the environmental cost of burning dirty coal and fouling our planet.

The reason solar is too expensive is because not enough people are buying it. People aren't buying it because it's too expensive. If there was more demand, the cost of producing PV panels would go down. Not to the point of parity, but good enough.

Government SHOULD step in and put in an order for 1 billion PV panels. Beats the hell out of wasting the money (and our soldiers' lives) in Iraq.


When the Hoover Dam was built, people thought it was a boondoggle, too.
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