[Rerednaw]

Hi. I was under the impression (per various police interviews and news articles) that crime in gated communities was as high or higher than non-gated communities.

I'm using the Metro site but it is a bit difficult to get through and I was hoping someone could help.

Does anyone have a report (link?) that quantifies crime in the gated communities compared to non-gated? Not just the raw #'s but % as well since the majority of people work and live outside of gated areas.

Thanks.

[SHEPNYC]

Originally Posted by Rerednaw

Hi. I was under the impression (per various police interviews and news articles) that crime in gated communities was as high or higher than non-gated communities.

I'm using the Metro site but it is a bit difficult to get through and I was hoping someone could help.

Does anyone have a report (link?) that quantifies crime in the gated communities compared to non-gated? Not just the raw #'s but % as well since the majority of people work and live outside of gated areas.

Thanks.

I'd be interested myself, particularly Gated versus GUARD Gated, such as Red Rock Country Club or The Canyons.

[Chest Rockwell]

How about alarmed homes within guard gated communities vs. maximum security penitentiaries?

[olecapt]

Not practical. Nobody has the data in the right format. It is not impossible but you would have to have a lot of man power or direct access to the data bases. The county assessors data base for instance does not know what is gated or guard gated. The GLVAR does not know either..it knows that the house for sale is gated or guard gated but that information is not linked to the tract.

It is relatively easy to get at the information for any given tract. you can obtain the Crimeview report for the zip and then sort out the addresses from the desired tract. You can get the tract streets from the assessors data base easily. However that data base does only tracts...not master plans...so multiple track properties would have to be hand assembled.

Then there is gated and gated. And guard gated and guard gated. The ultimate places have 24 hour manned gates and rolling patrols. Others have day time guards and automatic gates at night. Sun City Summerlin has no gates but has multiple rolling patrols 24 hours. Very low end places may be gated but the gates are left open all day.

Anyway Red Rock Canyon had 2 Burglaries, 2 Assault and Batteries, 3 other disturbances for 636 properties. Spanish Trails had 6 Burglaries, 2 Assaults and Batteries, 1 other disturbances for 1284 properties.

Non gate guarded Sun city Summerlin had 6 Burglaries, 1 Robbery, 2 Assaults and Battery and 3 other disturbances. There are 7700 properties in Sun City.

Note that a lot of the burglaries are close to the walls or boundaries. Places on the golf courses also appear targetted.

All the numbers are for the last 60 days and extracted from Crimeview by one technique or another.

[SHEPNYC]

Originally Posted by Chest Rockwell

How about alarmed homes within guard gated communities vs. maximum security penitentiaries?

Sounds like Chest resents those who can afford to live in Guard Gated communities with alarms on their homes. As they say "To each his own".

[jfkIII]

all this gated and guard and burglary stuff sounds so....comforting????

Kind of prison-like, no?

[Chest Rockwell]

People are welcome to take whatever precautions they feel necessary. I was just pointing that the measures taken to keep criminals out of your house and keeping criminals in a prison are basically the same.

Everyone has a right to feel safe. It's not about envy or jealousy for me, I just feel safe without all this stuff.

[SHEPNYC]

Originally Posted by jfkIII

all this gated and guard and burglary stuff sounds so....comforting????

Kind of prison-like, no?

Why do people live in doormen high rise buildings? Not to live in prisions, far from it, but to have a greater sense of security in a very unsecure world. False security? Who knows? It's whatever rocks your boat.

[jfkIII]

Originally Posted by SHEPNYC

Why do people live in doormen high rise buildings? Not to live in prisions, far from it, but to have a greater sense of security in a very unsecure world. False security? Who knows? It's whatever rocks your boat.

it's a status thing (doormen). Maybe as gates are in LV, too?

[olecapt]

There are two schools. Many feel safe in them...many think them destructive of neighborhoods.

The SW master plan had a recommendation against them based on disruption of neighborhoods. I personally have no objections to small ones but I think they should be forbidden to block streets. It is unfair to the adjacent streets and prevents normal flow for the area. We have one spot in the NW where flow to the local park, a nice park, is prevented in a number of directions by gated communities. I don't think that should happen.