[Daddys///M3]

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

The thread has gone from "hell yeah, another lowlife off the grid" to "I hope I get on that jury so I can acquit" to "maybe a little restraint was in order."

Kindly point out where I said anything resembling The first two statements in the quote.

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

And whenever you're presented with ideas that don't square with your interpretation of the limited facts available, you resort to critiquing debate skills, quoting statute, tossing out Latin legalese, and playing the "I'm the responsible adult here" card. You're no Marcus Tullius Cicero, either.

I'm sorry. Were we not debating whether this shooting was justified? Was I not presenting relevant facts while others chose to answer my questions with absurd questions of their own that added nothing to the discussion? The statute was relevant. Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not is of no consequence.

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

Just because you have an opinion doesn't make yours the informed opinion or the best opinion. We don't know what happened exactly in that back yard that day. Much is left to conjecture. And facts may come out that make this debate moot. But based on what we know, the "how about being a bit more cautious before using deadly force" group has not needed to update or amend their position.

The "vigilante crowd" is softening their violent rhetoric based on what what we know.

My opinion is informed based on my experience with use of force. Were we in a court of law my opinion would be more relevant in a discussion of this type due to my experience with use of force than others that apparently can't answer simple questions about the elements of the use of force. The fact that you can't understand that, despite your apparent intelligence, leads me to believe that you are being deliberately obtuse. Am I saying that my opinion is more valid than yours? Absolutely not, as you have every right to your opinion. I will state that if you don't know anything about the use of force, however, your opinion may very well be misinformed. And you have every right to a misinformed opinion.

Again, kindly point out this violent rhetoric that I previously posted. Pay special attention to the parts where I said anything other than the homeowner, based on what was reported, was legally justified to shoot. Based on my position regarding what I know about the Trayvon Martin case, how can you in good conscience continue to refer to me as a vigilante or having a mob mentality? Don't you feel that is a bit disingenous? So long as it helps you win the argument the ends justify the means though, right?

Don't bother responding. I'm done with this. You won't change my mind and I certainly won't change yours. Contrary to everything I have posted you continue to question my objectivity while labeling me as some kind of kill em all gun nut. You know nothing about me.

[Daddys///M3]

Originally Posted by aggrofish

We all know it's easy to armchair quarterback or second guess after the fact. However, I know that at 9:30 (read: broad daylight) am with someone in close enough view to hit with a handgun I can emphatically state that I would NOT have shot the individual. I don't think that YOU would have shot the individual either. Why? Probably because you know what you're doing.

I would not have. Even though there is no duty to retreat in this state my first reaction would be to move my family into the back bedroom and dial 911. Why? It's not an issue of morality or what I feel is right regardless of the law. It is an issue of tactics and the subsequent legal aftermath of what would happen in a deadly force encounter. My hallway is a fatal funnel. My firearms and ammo are stored in my master closet. There is a large cast iron tub in my master bath (more bullet resistant than drywall). There is ready egress in my master bath. And of course the fact that the issue of prosecution wouldn't even come up if I were to retreat and the assailant pursued me into my bedroom in the back of my house.

Of course that's just me.

[ScoopLV]

Originally Posted by Daddys///M3

Kindly point out where I said anything resembling The first two statements in the quote.

I said the THREAD has progressed from "another lowlife" to "maybe restraint is in order." Read more carefully, please.

You are not the only person participating in this thread.

Originally Posted by Daddys///M3

I'm sorry. Were we not debating whether this shooting was justified?

Yes, and your first foray into the thread was to quote statute as to why the shooting was legal. You didn't get into whether it was justified until much later.

Originally Posted by Daddys///M3

My opinion is informed based on my experience with use of force.

And mine is based on my experience reading police reports for a living. But I don't feel the need to insert that into nearly every reply. In fact, I think it's the first time I've brought it up.

Originally Posted by Daddys///M3

And you have every right to a misinformed opinion.

My opinion (from all the way back to post #2 on this thread) has been that restraint might have ended this situation with everyone involved alive. How is that misinformed?

And it's comments like this, and the feigned outrage that shines through in your posts that get you replies peppered with emoticons.

Originally Posted by Daddys///M3

Don't bother responding. I'm done with this.

This isn't the first time you've said this. Reminds me of the old Dan Hicks song, "How Can I Miss You When You Won't Go Away."

[Ant1999e]

Moral of the story, stay out of peoples back yards cause you might get shot

[jfkIII]

Originally Posted by Daddys///M3

I would not have. Even though there is no duty to retreat in this state my first reaction would be to move my family into the back bedroom and dial 911. Why? It's not an issue of morality or what I feel is right regardless of the law. It is an issue of tactics and the subsequent legal aftermath of what would happen in a deadly force encounter. My hallway is a fatal funnel. My firearms and ammo are stored in my master closet. There is a large cast iron tub in my master bath (more bullet resistant than drywall). There is ready egress in my master bath. And of course the fact that the issue of prosecution wouldn't even come up if I were to retreat and the assailant pursued me into my bedroom in the back of my house.

Of course that's just me.

I blame it all on video games. You've been playing too much MW3.

[m73m95]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

moral of the story, stay out of peoples back yards cause you might get shot

Ahh... 10-4

[BBMW]

It's now a week since the incident, and it seems to have dropped out of the news. There's been no announcement that charges have been filed, or that the DA has formally decided not to. But I'm making the assumption that no news means that DA has no interest.

[LVPoker1]

For those that were ready to hang the resident, he was cleared:

Prosecutors: Summerlin backyard intruder was killed in self-defense - Las Vegas Sun

Owens said evidence — including that Carter was shot on the front of his body — supported the resident’s claim that he felt threatened by the suspect. The resident, whose identity has not been released, said Carter continued attempting to enter the home after the two made eye contact, Owens said.

[timothyaw]

That's definitely the right call by the prosecutor's office. At least we the taxpayers don't have to pay for his room and board. Oh, and cable TV, medical bills, work out facilities etc.

[StaggerLee22]

OF COURSE he was cleared.
He did nothing wrong.
Good for him!
Hope he can move forward with his life and forget this whole thing.