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Unread 05-20-2012, 11:37 AM
Status: "Bring on the 100s! :)" (set 16 days ago)
 
Location: The Valley of the Sun
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Originally Posted by nevadaned View Post
Trust me tats and smoking is not a good look, anywhwere unless your going for the trailer park look. Yes I probably will miss out on some quality people but that is a risk I am willing to take.
Your opinion, of course, which you are absolutely entitled to

A place like Vegas is going to be full of ALL kinds of people, and it's probably best if you (general) can just accept that.
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Unread 05-20-2012, 12:01 PM
 
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I absolutely cannot stand to be around smokers. But the fact remains that they do have a right to smoke under the current laws. I just stay away from bars and casinos now and have no problem.
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Unread 05-20-2012, 12:46 PM
 
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People are yippy skippy happy to give away the freedoms of others. Why are we so shortsighted that we can't figure out some freedom that's dear to us will be next on the list? Fast food is bad for you and driving is dangerous too. The list of things we need to be protected from goes on forever.
I think most of what you have to say has merit, but I also find that many people who want to talk about freedoms when it comes to this topic miss the point. The freedoms we have do not apply to being able to do whatever we want when it infringes on the freedoms of others, such as is the case in public places (as opposed to private places or in our own homes).
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Unread 05-20-2012, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Vegas, baby, Vegas!
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I absolutely cannot stand to be around smokers. But the fact remains that they do have a right to smoke under the current laws. I just stay away from bars and casinos now and have no problem.

I can't stand to be around drinkers, but In a town of smokers and drinkers, which I came to of my own free will, I say ...


Poor me, Poor me, pour me a drink

Jonathan
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Unread 05-20-2012, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Sunrise
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I think most of what you have to say has merit, but I also find that many people who want to talk about freedoms when it comes to this topic miss the point. The freedoms we have do not apply to being able to do whatever we want when it infringes on the freedoms of others, such as is the case in public places (as opposed to private places or in our own homes).
Absolutely. And so long as the non-drinking, non-smoking, healthy-eating public doesn't have to pay ONE SINGLE PENNY for the unhealthy lifestyle of others, people should get to do whatever they want.

The right for other's to swing their arm ends at the tip of my nose. And so long as they aren't picking my pocket because of their activities, swing away.

People who are burdening the healthcare system with easily-preventable lung cancer, adult onset diabetes and heart disease, should shut the hell up about their "abridged freedom."
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Unread 05-20-2012, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Nebuchadnezzar
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It seems gamblers are more likely to smoke. But it also seems smokers are more likely to gamble with their lives.
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Unread 05-20-2012, 02:43 PM
 
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I know this is Nevada and their smoking laws are the same since the 1940s but we need to do something about this. Get smokers 50 feet away from buildings, etc.
Actually, Nevada banned smoking almost everywhere in 2006. The casinos, like in most states, were exempted. Very few states ban smoking in casinos, and those that banned smoking in existing casinos (MT, CO, SD, IL) saw drastic losses in gaming revenue. Please do research before you go off on a rant about your own personal agenda that does not fit the belief of the state, one that would hurt the biggest industry in the state far beyond what the recession did. As mentioned, California is right next door if you want to live somewhere that wants to save you from yourself.

FWIW, you can gamble in grocery stores, drug stores, gas stations, and many bars smoke free. There is also a walled off area at Arizona Charlie's Decatur, and several casinos (Orleans and Red Rock come to mind) have large non smoking areas. If you had just asked an intelligent question, instead of going on an insulting rant, you would have gotten an answer like that much sooner.
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Unread 05-20-2012, 02:52 PM
 
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My $0.02 I'm all for freedom, but I don't know if this has anything to do with that.

Smoking is harmful to people who inhale it second hand, that's not some propoganda made up by "anti-tobacco people" it's a fact. I personally have an allergic type reaction to it and as such once had to quit a job working in a poorly ventilated casino in Washington. My wife used to have really terribly bad asthma (it's gotten better over the past few years) but she also was forced to quit a job she held at the same casino because of it.
It's not fair for people's choices to affect other people's health.

That said, I get why casinos allow smoking, and while I don't think a non-smoking section is a bad idea at all, I can say that every time my wife and I have been to Vegas and walked through or played in the casinos we never felt sick from them, it seems like they ventilate the casinos very well there...at least all of the ones that we've been into.
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Unread 05-20-2012, 03:45 PM
 
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Is there a casino that disallows smoking? Or at least restricts it. I can no longer go inside a casino in this town. I understand that a lot of gamblers smoke but shouldn't they cater to the rest of us who lead clean lives. I know this is Nevada and their smoking laws are the same since the 1940s but we need to do something about this. Get smokers 50 feet away from buildings, etc. this is not a victimless crime. My grandmother died from cancer from second hand smoke. She never drank or smoked a day in her life. Time for our libertarian values to take root and regulate this life threatening act that kills the innocent.


This brings up another thing, why so many smokers in this town? Did they Never get the memo? Yes most of us tried smoking in high school but it seems like in this town people never realized that it is no longer cool. You look like trash. Your face and skin look awful, your hair, clothes, cars, and houses reek. Suck it up and quit, your gross- true fact. You look 20 years older than you are and will die an awful death. Do It in your own home or car and stop killing the innocent. Stop throwing your butts out of your car windows. Why are we not ticketing these awful people?

I love this town but we've got to do something about it. Don't get me started on tattoos.
Do you think the casinos in Atlantic City are smoke-free? Or the ones in Macao or anywhere in the world, for that matter? Anti-smoking campaigns have been around forever...you'd think if casinos thought they could make the numbers work by banning smoking in their places, they would have by now. It's been said--they tried and failed. So they make concessions and designate non-smoking rooms, and non-smoking areas on the casino floor, and improve their ventilation systems, so the people who would rather not sit in a smoke-filled room for hours at a time can at least sit in a ventilated room and still spend their money. For them, it's the best of both worlds. It IS about money for them, and that's not a bad thing, it's why this town is still around.

You may love this town, but it's pretty clear from the generalizations you're making, (which are not backed up by hard, factual evidence) that you're concerned more about yourself. Otherwise, you wouldn't waste your time posting on a discussion board and go out and actually do something productive about the cause you seem so passionate about.
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Unread 05-20-2012, 05:57 PM
 
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I don't get the people that talk about how dangerous working in a smoking establishment is. It may be, and both sides have proven their point. It is probably safe to say the real answer is in the middle somewhere. How many tens of millions of people have jobs that are more unsafe? Construction workers, highway workers, police, fire, taxi, pizza drivers, oil workers, miners, and many more have extremely unsafe jobs. It is up to the person if the money they are making is worth the risk. Nobody forces a person to work somewhere, and even if you feel you must work in the casinos, many (most?) of the jobs are not exposed to smoking.

If smoking were banned in casinos in Nevada it would crash the state's biggest industry. Let's assume revenue went down 20% overnight like it has in every other state, it is safe to say close 20% of the casino workforce would be laid off, not to mention some casinos on the brink of disaster would implode. That would trickle down to the entire retail industry, completely destroying the economy that is already fragile. When other states banned it in casinos, their only concern was tax revenue which drastically dropped. States like Montana, Colorado, South Dakota, and Illinois are not economically dependent on their casinos. They are there mostly for the taxes. In Nevada, the casinos are the economy.

So while people say "I hate smoking in casinos in Las Vegas", if they banned it, there would be some major issues with keeping the city afloat. Revel in AC opened smoke free, and their April revenue was pathetic, and ranked down 3rd or 4th from the bottom.

I firmly believe casinos should have separate smoking and non smoking areas, but it should be up to them, not the law. For example, I remember in Harrahs St Louis one side of the craps table was non smoking. To me, that seems like a great idea other casinos should try. All casinos of any substantial size should set aside no smoking areas. At some point the market will demand it, I think we are almost there.

Last year I speculated a LV casino would go non smoking in 2012. With how bad Revel is doing in AC, I do not think that prediction will come true. Palace in Biloxi is also smoke free when there is no law and from what I hear that experiment is going better than Revel.

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