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Practically I doubt you could tell the crime rate difference between the Strip and Times Square.
At present, I live in Manhattan near Times Square. Just 2 months ago I spent one week in Vegas (for work not play) and stayed on the Strip. I'm negotiating a job offer in Vegas, which is why I'm on this forum.
MANHATTAN is safe & orderly--and only below 125th Street. Above 125th, and Spanish Harlem, and the Bronx are still very dirty dangerous places where I wouldn't walk at night. (I'm a white male in his mid 20s.) Queens & Brooklyn have their nice suburban areas, but they have ghettos too.
I 100% agree with Olecapt's comparison of Times Square and the Strip ... they're both bright, crowded & pretty safe no matter what time of day or night.
I drove around Vegas at night looking for obscure clubs & definitely found some sleezy spots. But more dangerous than NYC??? I don't think so. I'll take sleezy over dangerous, thank you.
I 100% agree with Olecapt's comparison of Times Square and the Strip ... they're both bright, crowded & pretty safe no matter what time of day or night.
I drove around Vegas at night looking for obscure clubs & definitely found some sleezy spots. But more dangerous than NYC??? I don't think so. I'll take sleezy over dangerous, thank you.
exactly. and did you find any obscure clubs worth mentioning?
olecapt, what I want done is simply less crime. I think we could obviously start by adding police, and I would be more than happy to pay for it. However, I want to pay for the police to protect the citizens here, let the casinos help fund the part that would protect the casinos. I would also like to see the end of this ridiculous "what stays in Vegas..." crap. It's bad enough that people treat this place as a toilet, but do we have to market it as one too? No respect, no class. My post was more of a commentary than anything else. I don't have the answers, but I am tired of seeing it consistently get worse. I know, I know, it's worse in parts of New York and LA, but we are becoming more like the worst parts of those places than the good. I'll take some of the good with the bad if we could just get the good (like a diverse culture). I remember growing up here and not reading about casino workers getting the crap beat out of them, patrons bringing guns into casinos, people shooting at casinos and tourists, etc. It wasn't perfect, but it was better. Higher populations doesn't have to mean higher crime rates, especially violent crime. More taxes? How about the casinos pay for the increase, but we know that will never happen. Watch and soon the Teachers Union will soon learn that too. Casinos get what they want, and we are supposed to be thrilled to have them because without them this place wouldn't look much different then Needles or Parker, right? Anyways, there's already a **** on Las Vegas forum, and I do plenty of that, but for good reason. This place needs to clean itself up. I want to love it here, but it's getting harder and harder, and more embarassing all the time.
I can hear ya...LV has a marketing disaster on it's hands. And when the negative word keeps spreading for a tourist area...it could spell a mess...with huge implications across the board. Now, no one in their right mind would ever believe that LV and casinos would dry up over a few shootings and negative incidents. But what it does do is enforce that fact that LV is quickly becoming LA's weekend playground. If one doesn't see the increased CA presence, like I did when I was there in January, these shootings will continue to bring it to light.
But let's face it, do these casinos really care if those green dollars came from NY or LA...probably not. So, as long as the attendance and financial support continues to flow, and if it happens to be from LA and SoCal, they don't seem to care...as long as it keeps flowing. So what's their incentive to kick in for protection of the shared streets (and what about letting the next casino, over, do it attitude)? If the casinos keep getting hit by financial increase for their help and responsibility...it may make it unfavorable for these corporations to do business there. The corporations behind these casinos will only shoulder so much, before they fight back...or leave.
And let's face it...they are only concerned about Tourist LV...NOT resident LV. So, if resident LV is looking for the casinos to help them out with their suburban issues and concerns...I don't think they care about them. Money to support schools, suburban infrastructure and crime on the outskirts is not their concern. The way they view it is that the outlying residents should be happy that they're in your town...and should be happy with whatever they decide to give to the outlying areas.
Of course, to increase property taxes, or worse...institute a NV State Income Tax, would cause disaster, beyond belief.
Good luck on this one. But something should be done rather quickly, before its too late. I know a woman that I work with that was a LV-lover...the type that everytime you saw her, you'd start a conversation about her last recent trip (or next upcoming trip) to LV. Her and her husband...religiously, twice a year...and usually bringing friends (we went with them one time...her comps got us a great room rate!) She is no nickel slot player...but I've watched her play $25 slots, like I would play the nickels. She telecommutes now, so we don't see much of each other. But last time she was in the office, I began my usual LV talk. I was shocked to hear that she hadn't been there in over one year! So I asked, and she said 'that they just didn't like the feel of LV, anymore.' When I pressed for more detail she just said that they've been going to Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods, now. That's lost revenue to NV and increased revenue to CT. I wonder how many others are starting to feel like she does?
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I can hear ya...LV has a marketing disaster on it's hands. And when the negative word keeps spreading for a tourist area...it could spell a mess...with huge implications across the board. Now, no one in their right mind would ever believe that LV and casinos would dry up over a few shootings and negative incidents. But what it does do is enforce that fact that LV is quickly becoming LA's weekend playground. If one doesn't see the increased CA presence, like I did when I was there in January, these shootings will continue to bring it to light.
But let's face it, do these casinos really care if those green dollars came from NY or LA...probably not. So, as long as the attendance and financial support continues to flow, and if it happens to be from LA and SoCal, they don't seem to care...as long as it keeps flowing. So what's their incentive to kick in for protection of the shared streets (and what about letting the next casino, over, do it attitude)? If the casinos keep getting hit by financial increase for their help and responsibility...it may make it unfavorable for these corporations to do business there. The corporations behind these casinos will only shoulder so much, before they fight back...or leave.
And let's face it...they are only concerned about Tourist LV...NOT resident LV. So, if resident LV is looking for the casinos to help them out with their suburban issues and concerns...I don't think they care about them. Money to support schools, suburban infrastructure and crime on the outskirts is not their concern. The way they view it is that the outlying residents should be happy that they're in your town...and should be happy with whatever they decide to give to the outlying areas.
Of course, to increase property taxes, or worse...institute a NV State Income Tax, would cause disaster, beyond belief.
Good luck on this one. But something should be done rather quickly, before its too late. I know a woman that I work with that was a LV-lover...they type that everytime you saw her, you'd start a conversation about her last recent trip (or next upcoming trip) to LV. Her and her husband...religiously, twice a year...and usually bringing friends (we went with them one time...her comps got us a great room rate!) She is no nickel slot player...but I've watched her play $25 slots, like I would play the nickels. She telecommutes now, so we don't see much of each other. But last time she was in the office, I began my usual LV talk. I was shocked to hear that she hadn't been there in over one year! So I asked, and she said 'that they just didn't like the feel of LV, anymore.' When I pressed for more detail she just said that they've been going to Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods, now. That's lost revenue to NV and increased revenue to CT. I wonder how many others are starting to feel like she does?
Although I'm a New Yorker, I have to admit there is no place like Vegas when it comes to the combination of casinos, restaurants and entertainment. Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods are okay for a quick day trip, although I'd take the Borgata in Atlantic City, over those two. Also I don't believe the Indian casinos have as good a payout as the state controlled casinos.
Regarding your discussion of L.V. crime, I always feel perfectly safe on the strip, but the suburban crime statistics are disconcerting considering people are spending $500k and sometimes over a Million to live in places like Summerlin and Red Rock and have to contend with the continuing increases in property and personal crime. If a small increase in property tax would help in addressing the crime problem, I believe it's a good trade off.
Although I'm a New Yorker, I have to admit there is no place like Vegas when it comes to the combination of casinos, restaurants and entertainment.
No one (not even me!) can dispute that fact. But for these residents, our visits there don't seem to do much to help THEM out. Sure, us visiting helps provide an area where no state income tax is required, but that still leaves lots of problems in the surrounding areas. I'm not sure if a small increase in property taxes would be what it takes. After all, a lot of people have moved there, based on the fact that it is a low-taxed area, and may not take kindly to ANY increase. A small increase, would help cover the lack of property taxes that are no longer being paid, due to the housing situation, but may also chase others out, thus worstening the problem. IMO...I can only see a few 'easy' ways to go...increase property taxes substantially to support this area that expanded very rapidly, institute state income tax (which would probably cause a revolution!), or have the casino industry kick in more than it does...all very difficult choices, each with their own set of consequences.
Although I'm a New Yorker, I have to admit there is no place like Vegas when it comes to the combination of casinos, restaurants and entertainment. Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods are okay for a quick day trip, although I'd take the Borgata in Atlantic City, over those two. Also I don't believe the Indian casinos have as good a payout as the state controlled casinos.
Regarding your discussion of L.V. crime, I always feel perfectly safe on the strip, but the suburban crime statistics are disconcerting considering people are spending $500k and sometimes over a Million to live in places like Summerlin and Red Rock and have to contend with the continuing increases in property and personal crime. If a small increase in property tax would help in addressing the crime problem, I believe it's a good trade off.
Most of my customers live in Summerlin, most of them have million dollar+ homes. When ever I have a chance to talk to them about the weather etc.. I always bring up crime because this has been a hot topic lately. I live in a nice neighborhood, but I dont live in a 1 million+ dollar home and I feel safe. None of my 90+ summerlin customers have ever mentioned crime was rampant in their neighborhoods. This is in Red Rock CC, The Willows, Mountain Trails, TPC, Sienna, Eagle Gate, Canyon Gate, Canyon Fairways, Queensridge 1&2.. and many more I cannot even remember. I am not saying there is NO crime there because I know there has to be, but its nothing out of the ordinary. Then again, most of those neighborhoods have private security, so I am sure that helps.
8 1/2 & Piranha was mildly OK but nothing knocked my socks off ... I'm gay so I did the "Fruit Loop" as you guys affectionately call it.
New York's party scene blows too, gay & straight, ever since Giuliani had the police raid all the good clubs.
I've heard that the Luxor has the best large, dancing nightclub-type venue. Would anyone agree?
Know any cool dive bars (gay or straight) or even late-night cafes?
only dive i have checked out so far is huntridge package liquor...it definitely has the dive bar charm: $1 taps, cheap booze, take out liquor, drunks, etc. i hit it at least once a week
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think LV crime is bad?
