Mandalay Bay is a joke. (Las Vegas, Henderson: estate, cul-de-sac, military)

[AA702]

Originally Posted by guinnessjim

im from cali

Me too! But you know what i'm talking about? there is a lot of thugs and gangsters that come here to party. I remember when I use to go to Magic Mountain as a kid it was a family venue. Have you seen the people there lately? Its not that family atmosphere I use to remember. I'm not stereo typing, but it's what i've experienced.

[wbsacto]

My wife & I left Vegas in 2000 & moved to Sacramento for the very same things you have described. The casinos own Nevada & they could give a rats a** about anything but your money. You saw first hand what goes on behind the lights & glitter and its almost scary. I have a friend thats an arist & he has worked in Vegas 16 years. He left 2 years ago when the casino he worked out of raised the monthly rent for the "space" he used when painting from $800.00 to $3000.00. Their gaming revenue took huge losses so they stuck it to the ones who couldnt afford it to make up the losses.

[Nevada1]

Originally Posted by olecapt

Hmmm Let us get this right. You had a bad experience at a poorly sited acoustic concert at Mandalay Bay and therefore Las Vegas is filled with trashy people over there heads in debt living in million dollar housing.

It really does not compute.

You would not be of that age where the mid-life crisis occurs would you?

It is not this one experience. I have lived here for 17 years. This city has changed drasticly since I moved here back in 1990. It is true that there are a lot of trashy people here. Not everyone or even a majority, just a lot and it has ruined several experiances lately. When we travel, other cities seem so clean.

The other fact is that I have professional friends that live in $300,000 to $500,000 homes that have strippers and druggies as neighbors. Flashing blue and red lights seem to happen to regularly. These neighborhoods are filled with renters due to speculators. I had to buy a ridiculously expensive home to price out the speculators, and before you say it, my wife and I are both attorneys and not overextended. It is just frustrating.

The Mount Charleston experiance with the graffiti really was the last straw and we are working on an exit strategy. This experience last night just added to our feelings.

[AA702]

Originally Posted by Nevada1

It is not this one experience. I have lived here for 17 years. This city has changed drasticly since I moved here back in 1990. It is true that there are a lot of trashy people here. Not everyone or even a majority, just a lot and it has ruined several experiances lately. When we travel, other cities seem so clean.

The other fact is that I have professional friends that live in $300,000 to $500,000 homes that have strippers and druggies as neighbors. Flashing blue and red lights seem to happen to regularly. These neighborhoods are filled with renters due to speculators. I had to buy a ridiculously expensive home to price out the speculators, and before you say it, my wife and I are both attorneys and not overextended. It is just frustrating.

The Mount Charleston experiance with the graffiti really was the last straw and we are working on an exit strategy. This experience last night just added to our feelings.

I can see where your comming from. The fact is this city's growth is because of people moving from other states and they bring that mentality (where ever they are from). You just described most of LA, SF, Oakland.. with higher cost of living and the majority of people rent because they can't afford a home. Ghetto Faboulous is where these Druggies/Stripper/Dealers are pimping your neighborhoods because they make $$$$. You think graffiti is bad here? You've been to LA right?

[guinnessjim]

Originally Posted by AAPoolServiceLV

I can see where your comming from. The fact is this city's growth is because of people moving from other states and they bring that mentality (where ever they are from). You just described most of LA, SF, Oakland.. with higher cost of living and the majority of people rent because they can't afford a home. Ghetto Faboulous is where these Druggies/Stripper/Dealers are pimping your neighborhoods because they make $$$$. You think graffiti is bad here? You've been to LA right?

yeah, the graffiti in LA is horrible. so bad i almost don't even notice it anymore. and i am not just talking about on buildings and fences and bridges...it is on anything. i lived right at the start of the gabrelino trail (20+ miles from altadena up to mt wilson)...u had to go a long, long way up the trail to get away from the tagging. same w/ many of the other trails anywhere around LA. rocks, trees, wildlife...all tagged (well, maybe not the wildlife, but only because they move too fast).

and yeah AA...i knew what you meant about nonsense from cali coming to LV. it is a short trip and a weekend getaway...and i am not free from the guilt of being a drunk tourist in this town but i did keep my debauchery to the strip and didn't fully appreciate parts of LV until i moved here...can't wait for my friends to visit so i can show 'em some of the 'local' sites.

[AA702]

Originally Posted by guinnessjim

yeah, the graffiti in LA is horrible. so bad i almost don't even notice it anymore. and i am not just talking about on buildings and fences and bridges...it is on anything. i lived right at the start of the gabrelino trail (20+ miles from altadena up to mt wilson)...u had to go a long, long way up the trail to get away from the tagging. same w/ many of the other trails anywhere around LA. rocks, trees, wildlife...all tagged (well, maybe not the wildlife, but only because they move too fast).

and yeah AA...i knew what you meant about nonsense from cali coming to LV. it is a short trip and a weekend getaway...and i am not free from the guilt of being a drunk tourist in this town but i did keep my debauchery to the strip and didn't fully appreciate parts of LV until i moved here...can't wait for my friends to visit so i can show 'em some of the 'local' sites.

Yeah, I have family from all over CA. Diego-LA-Bay-SAC. They love to visit and stay with me. I still love CA because its a great state, but its changed also. Kinda like what NEVADA1 was saying about LV. Keep in mind that CA still has the largest growth as a state in population #'s and not % like NV. People are still moving there because it does still have a good economy and can support the millions that live there. The people that come from CA with that low life mentality sucks, but it doesnt represent the majority of Californians, just like those trashy people at Mandalay Bay doesn't represent the majority of local Las Vegans. Its always a distinct few that mess it up for all the others.. having seen the crap i've experienced in CA, I guess i'm not as sensitive to the issues here in LV such as the "skyrocketing crime", traffic, tagging, gangs, bad schools... thats all old news to me and I just do the best I can to be a good law abiding citizen. To me, it starts at the home and that is where we should have a look and maybe fix that before blaming it on other factors.

[Matt Angry]

Well said AA, great post!

[ackackack]

Originally Posted by Nevada1

It is not this one experience. I have lived here for 17 years. This city has changed drasticly since I moved here back in 1990. It is true that there are a lot of trashy people here. Not everyone or even a majority, just a lot and it has ruined several experiances lately. When we travel, other cities seem so clean.

The other fact is that I have professional friends that live in $300,000 to $500,000 homes that have strippers and druggies as neighbors. Flashing blue and red lights seem to happen to regularly. These neighborhoods are filled with renters due to speculators. I had to buy a ridiculously expensive home to price out the speculators, and before you say it, my wife and I are both attorneys and not overextended. It is just frustrating.

The Mount Charleston experiance with the graffiti really was the last straw and we are working on an exit strategy. This experience last night just added to our feelings.

I can't say I disagree with your anger with this city. I'm a native of this craphole, and I feel what you described quite often. When my wife and I travel to most other cities we do not see the filth that is so prevelent here. I cannot stand to go to Mt. Charleston anymore for that reason. There is trash everywhere, and it makes me go nuts to see it. You people that want to blame California for everything are wrong. Every city on the West blames Californians, and every city on the East blames New Yorkers. It's the type of person who comes here and could give a crap about making this place better. Instead it seems to be a place to try and make a buck, revel in the "Vegas Baby!" nightlife, and treat it like thier toilet. For the most part, this is a self-centered town that does little for the residents and cares only about tourists. I don't think it's fair to blame it all on growth either. This whole country has grown rapidly and it, for the most part, is not a toilet like Las Vegas is becoming.

For all of you who love to tell people who criticize this wonderful town to leave, save it, it's my home, I was born here, and I'm one of the good guys who tries to make this place better. Why don't you direct your get out of here nonsense to the idiots who continue to just take, take, take. As long as these are the types that are flooding here, this place will never be a community.

[ackackack]

Originally Posted by AAPoolServiceLV

Yeah, I have family from all over CA. Diego-LA-Bay-SAC. They love to visit and stay with me. I still love CA because its a great state, but its changed also. Kinda like what NEVADA1 was saying about LV. Keep in mind that CA still has the largest growth as a state in population #'s and not % like NV. People are still moving there because it does still have a good economy and can support the millions that live there. The people that come from CA with that low life mentality sucks, but it doesnt represent the majority of Californians, just like those trashy people at Mandalay Bay doesn't represent the majority of local Las Vegans. Its always a distinct few that mess it up for all the others.. having seen the crap i've experienced in CA, I guess i'm not as sensitive to the issues here in LV such as the "skyrocketing crime", traffic, tagging, gangs, bad schools... thats all old news to me and I just do the best I can to be a good law abiding citizen. To me, it starts at the home and that is where we should have a look and maybe fix that before blaming it on other factors.

AA, Unfortunately it doesn't take a majority to ruin something, a few bad apples are doing just fine. If the ever increasing crime, grafiti, etc, doesn't bother you, just wait, in time it will. You just haven't reached your limit yet.

Famous last words: "having seen the crap i've experienced in CA, I guess i'm not as sensitive to the issues here in LV such as the "skyrocketing crime", traffic, tagging, gangs, bad schools... thats all old news to me"
That reminds me of the time that some a-hole or a-holes stole stuff from my house for the third time. At the time I said, well, it could have been worse, they could have broken into my home, stole everything, raped or killed my family, then burned the whole thing down, so I guess it was a good thing what they did. It was my fault for having nice things in the first place.

[AA702]

Originally Posted by ackackack

AA, Unfortunately it doesn't take a majority to ruin something, a few bad apples are doing just fine. If the ever increasing crime, grafiti, etc, doesn't bother you, just wait, in time it will. You just haven't reached your limit yet.

Famous last words: "having seen the crap i've experienced in CA, I guess i'm not as sensitive to the issues here in LV such as the "skyrocketing crime", traffic, tagging, gangs, bad schools... thats all old news to me"
That reminds me of the time that some a-hole or a-holes stole stuff from my house for the third time. At the time I said, well, it could have been worse, they could have broken into my home, stole everything, raped or killed my family, then burned the whole thing down, so I guess it was a good thing what they did. It was my fault for having nice things in the first place.

Like I said, old news in the Hoods of CA. Vegas is nothing compared.. Even my family that visits say that Vegas is so nice outside of the strip.. because they are used to the run down areas of CA. In CA.. affordable doesn't exist with nice nieghborhood (its like oil and water). I dont know if you've ever lived in the inner cities of CA, or any other inner city but yeah everyone has their breaking point. But crime can affect anyone at anytime at any place.. I can move to the safest large city in the USA(San Jose, CA) BTW, I use to live there for years. This is where my car was stolen twice because its a Honda, chased by a gang of of armed Nortenio XIV gang members because we were in the wrong neighborhood and wearing the wrong color t-shirt. My Asian(Vietnamese) neighbors had a gang of Laotians tie them up and rob them in their own home because they know they keep money in the house. One of them ended up shot infront of their children. I never blamed it on the city itself because it can happen anyware. Just my thoughts...I am sure we all have our bad experiences with crime but its not going to hold me captive in my own home.