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Old 08-21-2012, 12:55 PM
 
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As far as the theme thing goes, it depends on how they do it. Bellagio was themed, but the theme is a bit obscure (Lake Como), and they didn't get too carried away with it, so it worked. The Venetian? Eh. I was there recently, and it comes off kind of cheap and tacky, especially since they tried to knock off real and well known landmarks. Same with Paris and NYNY (I live in New York, so NYNY has no appeal.)
And when you get down to it, Caesar's is also kind of "themed." But also in an understated way. So that works. But for the most part, these "themed" resorts have the outward appearance of, "Here's an option for rubes and rednecks to 'travel' to Europe and NYC without actually having to travel to Europe and NYC."

But I'd still rather have a Strip with lots of lights than a Strip with iconic knockoffs.
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Old 08-21-2012, 01:22 PM
 
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And when you get down to it, Caesar's is also kind of "themed." But also in an understated way. So that works. But for the most part, these "themed" resorts have the outward appearance of, "Here's an option for rubes and rednecks to 'travel' to Europe and NYC without actually having to travel to Europe and NYC."

But I'd still rather have a Strip with lots of lights than a Strip with iconic knockoffs.
Considering when Caeser's was built and what the fads have been since then, it has aged exceptionally well...to the point where it will probably never be demolished or rebranded. As you stated, the Bellagio while themed is quite understated and will age well. The Excalibur (British/Medieval theme?) is starting to show its age but its the south end's version of Circus Circus. Paris and NY/NY are a bit guady and typical Vegas but may not last if there is another building "fad". The Wynn, Cosmo, Aria, etc are the new face of Vegas. Boring and expensive, but can easily be rebranded and renovated over time. There is no rebranding of the Luxor or Excalibur, they are what they are.
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Old 08-21-2012, 02:33 PM
 
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Caesars will never get demolished (at least in the foresable future) as a whole. I could easily see them demolising some of the older tower to build new ones. Caesars is interesting, in that it developed in pieces over the decades. This is a double edged gladius. I makes the place a bit rambling and disorganized, but, on that other hand, it gives it an interesting, organic feel.

As far as the recent stuff, I like it. I stayed at Aria two weeks ago, and like it, especially the interior architecture. The site plan of City Center isn't great, in that it take a lot to get out to the strip on foot. But Aria itself is quite nice. It's modern done right.

Didn't spend any time in Cosmo, other than what I had to do to get up and down to the skybridge to Aria. Of what I saw, I wasn't impressed. Wynn and Encore were very nice. My GF loved Encore (next time she comes out with me, I may have to stay there.) Wynn (Steve, not the hotel) is a stickler for detail, and it shows. While it's a bit too fabric-y and female for my taste, what he did is very well done.

Excalibur and Luxor are relics of Vegas's family friendly era. I think they stay full on low pricing, and maybe they make money that way. But I think Excalibur particularly, is redeveloment bait.
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Old 08-21-2012, 02:34 PM
 
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The two are NOT mutually exclusive, and anyone walking down the strip can atest.

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But I'd still rather have a Strip with lots of lights than a Strip with iconic knockoffs.
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Old 08-21-2012, 02:38 PM
 
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Take a look at Excalibur without thinking "Circus Circus South." It's still a fairly good looking property from the exterior. Sure, it looks like a Playskool Castle Set. But it looked like that when it was built. My point is that Excalibur doesn't look BAD. Not like Circus Circus, at least. Once you get inside, I realize that's a completely different story. But I think a good rehab could turn that property around. It could be the Arthurian version of Caesar's. It never will, of course, because it has a "bottom basement" reputation. But it COULD be turned around.

Luxor, Venetian, Paris and NYNY on the other hand, looked out of place the day they were finished. When they start to slide, they're going to slide HARD. People will spend money on a classic. (Whether it's a T-Bird or Caesar's Palace.) NYNY, Paris and Luxor are hokey, not classic.
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Old 08-21-2012, 03:36 PM
 
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For a themed resort, I thought the people that created the NY NY did a pretty good job. It's been a while since I've been down there, but I enjoyed the duelling piano bars, Nine Fine Irishmen Pub and the pizza in that silly area meant to look like a NY block. It was all about the fun, and didn't take itself too seriously.

Caesars on the other hand- seriously, you can keep it. Bad service, poor food (and I have an issue with poor food ) and ugly decor.

Agreed on the Luxor. I have never been inside the Excalibur, but I sort of like that Playskool castle look that it has when lit up at night.
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:05 PM
 
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For a themed resort, I thought the people that created the NY NY did a pretty good job. It's been a while since I've been down there, but I enjoyed the duelling piano bars, Nine Fine Irishmen Pub and the pizza in that silly area meant to look like a NY block. It was all about the fun, and didn't take itself too seriously.

Caesars on the other hand- seriously, you can keep it. Bad service, poor food (and I have an issue with poor food ) and ugly decor.

Agreed on the Luxor. I have never been inside the Excalibur, but I sort of like that Playskool castle look that it has when lit up at night.
I LOVE Caesars. It is so amazing inside and the pool OMG, it's heaven!

Inside Excalibur is pathetic. They have a few random suits of armor thrown around in an attempt to look medivial...and it fails. It was also the only place in Vegas I saw strollers and I saw LOTS of them. We went for the Australian BeeGees show, otherwise we wouldn't have gone at all. I think it is hideous from the outside, too.

Luxor I like, but I like all things Egyptian (I like the Cleopatra stuff at Caesars, too. And the Venetian is gorgeous. The attention to detail in recreating landmarks is very impressive.

The places that don't thrill me are the non-gimmicky places like Wynn. Boring!
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:27 PM
 
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I LOVE Caesars. It is so amazing inside and the pool OMG, it's heaven!

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We stayed down there about two years ago and didn't have a good experience at all. I've been here long enough that I've actually seen films at the Caesars Omnimax that was open from the seventies to about 2000. I've just never cared for the place- but I'm glad that others do.

I like the Mandalay Bay. If I ever do another "cheesy Vegas weekend" it will probably be there.
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:28 PM
 
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It was designed to be Circus Circus south. Bill Bennett, who made a fortune with CC, wanted to cater to the same market in the same way, and just pump up his volume. The question being, does his old strategy work any more (I think it might.)

I agree about Luxor and NYNY. Paris could go either way, depending on whether Harrah's/Caesars spends the money to keep it up (it does have a really good location. )

The Venetian is a special case. Sheldon Adelson doesn't think like other casino executives, and has a different plan. The Venetian, theme aside, is a convention hotel (that just happens to have a casino), complete with a big honkin' convention center attached to it. Shelly came out of the convention business. He sold Comdex and bought the old Sands Hotel with the proceeds (which he demoed to build the Venetian.) He quite famously doesn't care to much for gamblers He butchered the Veneitian's comp policy, pissing of that part of his clientel. He wants the convention business. If he's right, that places will keep humming for a long time. If not, he won't be able to float the debt. So far he's been fairly right.

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Take a look at Excalibur without thinking "Circus Circus South." It's still a fairly good looking property from the exterior. Sure, it looks like a Playskool Castle Set. But it looked like that when it was built. My point is that Excalibur doesn't look BAD. Not like Circus Circus, at least. Once you get inside, I realize that's a completely different story. But I think a good rehab could turn that property around. It could be the Arthurian version of Caesar's. It never will, of course, because it has a "bottom basement" reputation. But it COULD be turned around.

Luxor, Venetian, Paris and NYNY on the other hand, looked out of place the day they were finished. When they start to slide, they're going to slide HARD. People will spend money on a classic. (Whether it's a T-Bird or Caesar's Palace.) NYNY, Paris and Luxor are hokey, not classic.
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:34 PM
 
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It was designed to be Circus Circus south. Bill Bennett, who made a fortune with CC, wanted to cater to the same market in the same way, and just pump up his volume. The question being, does his old strategy work any more (I think it might.)

I agree about Luxor and NYNY. Paris could go either way, depending on whether Harrah's/Caesars spends the money to keep it up (it does have a really good location. )

The Venetian is a special case. Sheldon Adelson doesn't think like other casino executives, and has a different plan. The Venetian, theme aside, is a convention hotel (that just happens to have a casino), complete with a big honkin' convention center attached to it. Shelly came out of the convention business. He sold Comdex and bought the old Sands Hotel with the proceeds (which he demoed to build the Venetian.) He quite famously doesn't care to much for gamblers He butchered the Veneitian's comp policy, pissing of that part of his clientel. He wants the convention business. If he's right, that places will keep humming for a long time. If not, he won't be able to float the debt. So far he's been fairly right.
Shelly is an interesting creature. When the market crashed, the stock in LVS was really cheap, but I didn't jump in because of fear. If I had really thought it through, I would have, because Adelson has quite the ego and would do a lot to save his company from bankruptcy.

The Venetian is a lovely property and Sheldon intends to keep it that way.
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