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Old 12-21-2012, 04:18 PM
 
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Please get back to the topic... you've strayed geographically quite a bit.
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Old 12-21-2012, 04:31 PM
 
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Expanding light rail would kill the taxi business. That's my best guess.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:00 PM
 
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The Taxicab industry in Las Vegas controls transportation in the city and county....it has for 50 years and it aibt gonna change....The Taxicab lobby let them have the monorail BECAUSE they knew it was gonna be a cobbled up mess and doomed to failure.....now when things like this came up they have an example to point to .....SEE, we let ya have that and see what happened.

and now ALL the Johnny come latelys pour in sayin I KNOW WHAT WILL FIX LAS VEGAS!!!!!
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Pahrump, NV
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There's nothing like riding down the center of the strip (granted sometimes you're cruising at a snail's pace), a gentle breeze in your hair, the sun bathing your face in warmth, oooogling at all the casinos & the people. This is what many people dream of doing while here in town.

Has anyone here rode the monorail? I ride it once a year during Cowboy Christmas. I like the idea of it, but the location isn't ideal. The monorail gives you the view of the backside of the casinos - not so glamourous. I would imagine this would be part of the problem with installing a light rail for Vegas, in addition to the taxi cab companies losing $$. Where would you install it that it would be visually appealing to both the rider & the residents? Where do you install platforms to embark/disembark that aren't in the way of other existing businesses?
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:38 PM
 
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Please get back to the topic... you've strayed geographically quite a bit.
To correctly get down to the bottom of things, we may have to do a little comparison of other countries. The who, what, why and how of this topic is much deeper than Las Vegas alone.

I was going to chime in with personal experience of Japanese and European public transportation, but I won't per your request. Maybe this is a General Forums topic?

Anyway...

I have to at least say that the documentary "Who killed the electric car?" shows how much power the auto industry has.

Big money industries(auto, oil, tire, gov)can kill anything.


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Old 12-21-2012, 05:57 PM
 
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There's nothing like riding down the center of the strip (granted sometimes you're cruising at a snail's pace), a gentle breeze in your hair, the sun bathing your face in warmth, oooogling at all the casinos & the people. This is what many people dream of doing while here in town.

Has anyone here rode the monorail? I ride it once a year during Cowboy Christmas. I like the idea of it, but the location isn't ideal. The monorail gives you the view of the backside of the casinos - not so glamourous. I would imagine this would be part of the problem with installing a light rail for Vegas, in addition to the taxi cab companies losing $$. Where would you install it that it would be visually appealing to both the rider & the residents? Where do you install platforms to embark/disembark that aren't in the way of other existing businesses?
As a tourist we use it 4-6 times a year. No way in hell we are walking the strip.
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:35 PM
 
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Incorrect. The US developed around light rail as well. L.A.'s red line was one of the best systems ever designed. It was systematically killed (along with many other city light rail systems) by the automotive industry.

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To those that seriously believe that the automobile industry "systematically killed" light rail, answer this: "When did you last use public transit - of any kind?"
Public transit ostensibly exists "to help poor people get around", but Ronald Reagan got it right when he said that it would be cheaper to lease poor people a limousine than build light rail. Whether it's light rail or buses - and buses certainly are cheaper and easier to deploy - the fact is, no one likes the walking, the standing at stops in all kinds of weather, the force-meetings with undesirables, the transferring, the more waiting, and everything else that represents the reasons why 97% of the population pays a disproportionate amount of their income to have and drive a car. The issue, then, is people who don't have cars, which is where, as I mentioned earlier, RoboCar enters the picture. Better, cheaper, safer, faster, no driver's license required, and it gets you doorstep to doorstep. And don't look, but there's one in your rear view mirror right now!
To return to the original question ("Why no light rail in Vegas?"), that's not why (transit people can fabricate their own case for interfering with our lives - like the stupidity of BRT along Sahara), but it works.
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:45 PM
 
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Incorrect. The US developed around light rail as well. L.A.'s red line was one of the best systems ever designed. It was systematically killed (along with many other city light rail systems) by the automotive industry.

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Poppycock. That conspiracy has been disproved more than virtually any other.

The Great GM Conspiracy Legend

There are a dozen others.

The monorail is a classical committee design with many conflicting interest. It should have gone to the airport and should nave gone down the strip. It should be a feature not a problem. But the casinos were leery of a strip route and the limo/taxi folk did not want to lose much of their business. And note this thing never had government backing which could have overcome the above.
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Old 12-21-2012, 07:17 PM
 
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The Monorail didn't have 'government backing'...?! First, the government designated it a charity (yes, a charity!) and then issued the bonds - but did it in such a way that they appeared to be 'backed' by the state, but in fact, were insured by an entity that, after the spit hit the fan, promptly went broke itself. they then went through the burn process where a government judge wouldn't even let them go broke, but had no problem with those that anti-upped the $660-mill in the first place. Sounds to me like 'government backing' to the nth degree. The next step is federal money in the form of the same type of government backed loan that Harry is helping his friends obtain at XpressWest (formerly Desert Xpress). Sure makes for interesting reading.
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Old 12-21-2012, 08:34 PM
 
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The Monorail didn't have 'government backing'...?! First, the government designated it a charity (yes, a charity!) and then issued the bonds - but did it in such a way that they appeared to be 'backed' by the state, but in fact, were insured by an entity that, after the spit hit the fan, promptly went broke itself. they then went through the burn process where a government judge wouldn't even let them go broke, but had no problem with those that anti-upped the $660-mill in the first place. Sounds to me like 'government backing' to the nth degree. The next step is federal money in the form of the same type of government backed loan that Harry is helping his friends obtain at XpressWest (formerly Desert Xpress). Sure makes for interesting reading.
Sorry...but one of the ways in which the project was sold that it had no financial backing from the government. If the government had gotten into the act it is possible that The steps necessary to give it a chance of breaking even would have happened. I would agree I don't see how such a thing could have occurred anywhere but Las Vegas.

I am still amazed that anyone was dumb enough to guarantee the bonds.

Was it actually a charity? Have to look that one up but I don't believe it. A 201C(3) perhaps but that is not a charity.

I have no idea why you think the thing was government backed...unless you are smoking some pretty good weed.

I think in the end it may up government owned. What else to do with it when it needs the big update? Really the other option will be to tear it down...and that may well create a worse set of problems.
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