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Old 12-23-2012, 01:42 AM
 
Location: Sunrise
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Light rail alone does not work. It has to be part of a regional transit system. The rail has to run to the high density employement area (The Strip for this conversation). Then you feed the rail with the busses. After the initial expense of construction, which is typically 40-50% paid by the Feds., light rail is actually cheaper to operate than busses. I seriously doubt it would ever go down the strip though. Rail lines take years to construct and the disruption to the casino's would be too much. Plus you would be lucky to to have one lane in each direction left.

Using nothing more than the rail system of Europe, I could hop on a morning train in the ass-end of nowhere, Scotland, and be in Tuscany before sunset. Intercity Rail, Britrail, Eurostar, Eurorail, TrenItalia. I am, quite frankly, a rail junkie when I go to Europe. They do train travel right. And they learned how from us.

In many cases, it takes less time than getting to an airport, waiting around in an airport, and making connections. Besides, train travel is far more fun for the visitor than air travel. For instance, you can't ask a pilot to stop in France so you can pick up a baguette, some brie, and a bottle of beaujolais.

What we did to our rail system in the 1930s and 1940s would be akin to tearing up most of the Interstate Highway System, and then complaining that travel by car is too slow and inefficient. Our rail system was once the model for the entire world. But we took an "either/or" approach, while Europe maintained a "many options" philosophy about transportation.

I don't for one minute think that we will ever replace our rail system. It would be ridiculously expensive to restore what we once enjoyed and took for granted. And frankly, we aren't the society that we once were.
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Old 12-23-2012, 12:33 PM
 
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Using nothing more than the rail system of Europe, I could hop on a morning train in the ass-end of nowhere, Scotland, and be in Tuscany before sunset.
I'm glad to know that. One of our concerns about spending time in Europe is getting around. We want to set a base in southern France for a few weeks and travel from there, then move to England for a few and travel from there. Sounds like it's going to be fairly easy to do.
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Old 12-23-2012, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR / Las Vegas, NV
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TriMet: Rail System Map (MAX, WES and Streetcar)

Above is a map of Portland's light rail lines. It's kind of hard to see, but we also have a street car system.

Streetcar Route Map | Portland Streetcar

All routes service the Central Business District. The light rail lines come from from large population suburban areas. The bus lines the service the less populated areas intersect with the rail lines. TriMet is in the middle of a $1.5 billion expansion that includes a new bridge across the river that divides the East and West side of the city. After that they are going to cross the river that divides OR and WA.

And just for scoop, TriMet still runs a vintage trolley on a limited basis.

TriMet: Portland's Vintage Trolley
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Let's also think of who would be among the losers with Femont-Airport rail line, in addition to the taxi drivers.

How many tourists (I know of a few) come here, get out their calculators, calculate what they'd spend in 3-4 days on taxi's and expensive Deuce bus rides, and compare that to renting a car, and find out the costs are either equal to or slightly more. So there's one more beneficary to not having it, the rental car companies.

With a well-run rail line, fewer tourists renting a car while here, that's fewer traffic fines issued by the police as well.

And if I owned a mega-resort on the Strip, I'd probably be opposed to it as well, that would make it easier for my guests to scoot down to Fremont Street or the other end of the Strip. And I wouldn't want them to leave the premises!

Yes, Bledsoe, I've ridden every mile of the Portland rail lines and the trolleys downtown as I'm increasingly taking light rail vacations where a car or taxi isn't needed. I made a special trip to Dallas, a few years ago, eager to try out their DART light rail system, and in 3 days I rode every mile of it, and I'm now anticipating their new rail line to the Airport, where next time I'm there I'm scooted away from the Airport to my motel in Richardson. Next light rail vacation: L.A.!
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Old 12-24-2012, 01:21 AM
 
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Interesting to note that the Portland Transit system is half paid for by a payroll tax. It also purported has a relatively huge liability on retirement costs for employees. Might also note that overall transit use cost has increased much faster than inflation.

It would appear that all light transit is pretty much a financial disaster....the monorail is actually better than most.
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Old 12-24-2012, 10:02 AM
 
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Read the paper I quoted. In virtually every case you would do better to add a lane in each direction and a few more buses.

There is virtually no problem for which light rail is the correct solution.

My view says it all goes away over the next twenty years as we get automated vehicles to haul people continuously where they want to go. Robot electric jitneys. If I was a young man I would not consider a career as a las vegas cab driver.
Agreed 100%. Why, with emerging technologies based on (Google's) Robocar that will render ALL transport obsolete (which includes transit and deliver trucks - and yes, anything else human-driven, taxicabs included) - anyone would remotely considering stepping back into the 19th century and board a streetcar (aka LRT) is beyond me.
Of course, there will always be the learning curve, as illustrated here by Arnie.
Johnny cab clips from total recall - YouTube
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Old 12-24-2012, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Sunrise
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Why, with emerging technologies based on (Google's) Robocar that will render ALL transport obsolete (which includes transit and deliver trucks - and yes, anything else human-driven, taxicabs included) - anyone would remotely considering stepping back into the 19th century and board a streetcar (aka LRT) is beyond me.

Fuel efficiency, easy usage by the blind and disabled, proven technology. (Wait until Johnny Cabs are hacked/malfunction and decide to start driving through shopping malls, Blues Bros. style.)

Finally, speed. France's TGV rail hits speeds of 200mph. We could bump that up further because of our wide-open spaces. Get on the light rail to the train station, board the regional train, and be in Seattle in less than five hours -- using one-tenth the energy of a commercial jet.

Trains are 21st century, not 19th.
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Old 12-24-2012, 01:41 PM
 
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As my Las Vegas experience but only from a regular tourist, what's so bad about getting a cab waiting near the doors at baggage claim at Mccarran then dropped at the front door of the hotel and the bellmen coming to get our bags and the same on the return trip to McCarran.

The cabs are always available when I need one, 24-7. I do not want, as a tourist, to schlep my bag on a train to and from the airport packed in a train with other people. I'm on vacation, enough said.

When going to a show down the strip, walk out the hotel and a cab is waiting out front, or somewhere near.



Sure, I've been tunneled but so what, maybe it was faster in a way I'm not sure of and I'll mention it to my driver with a little sarcasm for taking the scenic route. Will light rail be that good for a tourist? I doubt it.

Light rail may work for the locals but in my opinion, not me and my fellow vacationers.

America will shortly lead the world in oil production. good on us.
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Old 12-24-2012, 01:48 PM
 
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Fuel efficiency, easy usage by the blind and disabled, proven technology. (Wait until Johnny Cabs are hacked/malfunction and decide to start driving through shopping malls, Blues Bros. style.)

Finally, speed. France's TGV rail hits speeds of 200mph. We could bump that up further because of our wide-open spaces. Get on the light rail to the train station, board the regional train, and be in Seattle in less than five hours -- using one-tenth the energy of a commercial jet.

Trains are 21st century, not 19th.
The rub is that it is not one-tenth. If is perhaps 25%. That says little if any difference in cost versus the time differential. And that is for high speed rail...not commuter lines which have no advantage.

The NYC subway and a few others are energy efficient though it is not by a factor greater than two over the automobile. Many systems are in fact inferior to the auto.
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Old 12-24-2012, 03:29 PM
 
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what's so bad about getting a cab waiting near the doors at baggage claim at Mccarran then dropped at the front door of the hotel
Speculating "the 47%" view transportation as an entitlement that should be subsidized by others.
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